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[*] posted on 26-4-2012 at 00:07
converter still fails


I tried deleting thread 18275 to see if that ended the error, on the theory floated above that the iframes in that thread might throw off the process. It didn't work. I get almost the same error as before, except it's now "Duplicate entry '18277'" instead of '18275'. Any insights from inspecting the code?



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[*] posted on 19-8-2012 at 19:19


No progress to report yet. Hopefully soon. No promises.

Sorry for my delay in responding to this. I had appendicitis shortly after my previous post, and my offline life got a little complicated thereafter. Things are slowly getting sorted out, and I hope to get working on this again in the near future. However, moving the last of my glassware to my new apartment takes priority. :P




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[*] posted on 3-2-2013 at 09:33


First of all, sorry for my bad english, and for resurrecting this thread. Maybe you've finished yet with the migration.
Most of my experiences in forum software is from SMF, so I'll try to summarize them. As I suppose you already know, SMF has a lot of user-contributed tools like ReCAPTCHA (which requires an account in google mail) and Akismet (AFAIK, checks the content of the message against an online engine and, if detected as spam, reports it to the moderators before showing it publicly), to avoid spamming and automated registration. There are other useful tools like "Users mass actions" that allow deleting/changing group/etc. a whole page of members from the Admin > Members submenu.
Nevertheless, and due to security reasons our server don't use the FTP port for updates/upgrades, which forces to patch the code manually.
Obviously, we suffered a huge attack several months ago and we found that, in fact, there are groups of spammers that do the registration process by hand and using utilities that do a search for texts that match the thread topic and insert links, thus bypassing protections, and the only way to avoid this completely was using email confirmation plus validation by admin/mods. Also the forum was changed to other IP and server and a honeypot was mounted at the old server.

The database is somehow prone to corruption if you modify it by logging on to the database server and use SQL even being careful with foreign keys and things like that (SMF has a lot of indexes on each table); this can be noticed if the statistics/total amount of replies/threads on the main page disappear; but you've got a database tab on Administration>Maintenance
Forum Maintenance>Database to fix these issues, IIRC. Also, backups of the database and table optimizations can be done from there.

I don't know if you're adapting that script or using a backup of this forum, a fresh install of SMF and with SQL sentences, but I'll try the latter since you can make a replica of the VM. Surely you have noticed that there are several main tables: smf_members, smf_boards, smf_categories, smf_topics and smf_messages. Some other tables are filled by the installation code. I've never used XMB so I don't know its internals.

Hope my post is of some use.




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[*] posted on 1-3-2013 at 13:22


Sorry for resurrecting this thread again but i recently found a good forum software called FUDforum http://www.fudforum.org maybe that will help.:)

[Edited on 1-3-2013 by Glucose Oxidase]
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[*] posted on 2-3-2013 at 09:12


Apologies for not making any progress on this since my last post... I really need to find employment first.

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Oh, and I'll have to recover all my data from my fried laptop's HDD.

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[*] posted on 15-10-2013 at 11:38


Polverone it seems the guy managed to convert the database itt:

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?P=759b39b9...

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[*] posted on 18-12-2013 at 09:14


Quote: Originally posted by Polverone  
https://www.sciencemadness.org/xmb_sm_test.sql.gz
Polverone, I'm trying to set up a server (again) to work on the migration, but this file seems to be missing. Any chance you could re-upload it? (I'm sure I have a copy somewhere, I just don't know where...)



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[*] posted on 17-8-2014 at 09:32


Is this something that is still happening? I'd never read this thread before until now, and hadn't realized that there were previously plans for a wiki. Is the forum still going to be migrated to new software, and if so, is incorporating MediaWiki and migrating the wiki going to happen after that, as discussed earlier in this thread?



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[*] posted on 16-11-2014 at 07:53


Just a question: is it so hard to implement a spelling corrector in the preview mode? With for example a anchor.

I also suggest to make a hidden tread to fix a anti-spam code.




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[*] posted on 16-11-2014 at 13:11


Quote: Originally posted by JAVA  
Just a question: is it so hard to implement a spelling corrector in the preview mode? With for example a anchor.

Firefox has a built-in spell-check.
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[*] posted on 16-11-2014 at 14:43


Quote: Originally posted by Etaoin Shrdlu  
Quote: Originally posted by JAVA  
Just a question: is it so hard to implement a spelling corrector in the preview mode? With for example a anchor.

Firefox has a built-in spell-check.


Yes, but many, many members don't write in English by default. If you are from The Nederlands then the corrector shows that every word is wrong.

I'am native Dutch, write in German, Bahasa Indonesia and English. It's a great idea for people from the USA but not for the majority of other members...

In addition: we can reduce spam if you work with filters that don't allow things like chinese, rude things,...

We can use a checkbox to sign-in and validate the e-mail adress. If they don't do it: it are spambots.

[Edited on 16-11-2014 by JAVA]

[Edited on 16-11-2014 by JAVA]




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[*] posted on 16-11-2014 at 15:11


Quote: Originally posted by JAVA  
Quote: Originally posted by Etaoin Shrdlu  
Quote: Originally posted by JAVA  
Just a question: is it so hard to implement a spelling corrector in the preview mode? With for example a anchor.

Firefox has a built-in spell-check.


Yes, but many, many members don't write in English by default. If you are from The Nederlands then the corrector shows that every word is wrong.

If you don't write in English, your post is going to wind up deleted anyway, am I missing something?

EDIT: Ohhhh, I get it. It's because of comparing to another language by default. You can add on other dictionaries though. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/language-tools/

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[*] posted on 17-11-2014 at 07:41


It does work for English (problem solved), really thank you. I did learn finally one thing that makes sense in everyday life.
I don't answer on messages with too much errors anymore ;)


Apart from that I was thinking about a rather technical aspect to prevent these daily UK Spam messages. I see that the administrators really DO a lot of efforts to prevent Spam, administrators and moderators aren't stupid at all.

The solution that I propose is to create a "apply to join Rador labs" button on sciencemadness, all members have to do that within say 6 months. If they do apply they will get the message: "a email is send to your mailbox, check your mailbox to be a and follow the instructions to be a member approved member and click on the link that is embedded in your mail"

Just click on it and you are a approved member of Sciencemadness AND Rador labs. Once Rador labs or SM did write a code in javascript to make smart filters, check their IP address, GMT time zone, provider: these Spambots have no chance anymore.

This is the only solution that I see: the forum software is simply too old and not updated. A by-pass system with a confirmation mail and a new database of users have only good things.
1) It's a Win-Win situation between Radorlabs and sciencemadness, no build in competitions on sciencemadness are needed anymore to motivate people to work on the sciencemadness wiki.
2) We can catch the spambots or Spammers by redirecting to external sites
3) user list is up-to-date
4) If the location is known (like UK) a huge amount of money have to be paid (intellectual property damage, time to develop new scripts,...) and the external website can be one that applies to the UK to bring it to the court. With this money we can invest in scientific references for the community, money for those that did really work to expand our knowledge,...
5) The external website can get the newest IT features, things evolve really fast.

Please wait a bit to react on this proposal: I send a U2U to the IT-minded admin or moderators and they decide.




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[*] posted on 31-10-2015 at 16:33


I am going to attach this here for now (md5: 7d001f64e8bc018fa687f1c24a0fd17f). I dug up this version of the XMB->SMF converter, it ran the conversion all the way through without errors, but choked on the recounting totals and statistics step. The posts and users all made it over, but I'm seeing a couple issues with the conversion right off the bat:

- XMF quoting isn't converted to SMF quoting
- Single and double quotes have escape characters in posts (ex: it\'s)
- It didn't convert post attachments
- Thread subjects get changed to the subject of the most recent post that has one set
(for example, after conversion, this post is named 'converter still fails')
- Poll choices didn't make it over
- Some character set issues

- SMF has stricter limits on allowed html (links and images show source code)

Attachment: xmb_smf_converter-10.30.2015.tgz (28kB)
This file has been downloaded 97 times

[Edited on 1-11-2015 by bwn]
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[*] posted on 1-11-2015 at 05:12


Why not using vBulletin ?
I use other forums like alloyavenue.com (metalcasting) and iceinspace.com.au (astronomy) which do use this software and is very good.
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[*] posted on 1-11-2015 at 06:56


As per the topic by Polverone
Quote: Originally posted by Polverone  

Important forum features:
-Free (I could pay for vBulletin, but then I couldn't prepare working forum backups in virtual machine images)




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[*] posted on 28-7-2016 at 09:25


Polverone could you send me the forums backup to try it on newer XMB?
In parallel I could make an attempt a transition to alternative software if possible.
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[*] posted on 30-7-2016 at 22:44


Guys I have grade news!!
I've made it!!!! I've successfully transfered the old xmf to new smf SM forum!!

I'm asking from the administrators to grant my access to make the transfer online!!!

Additionally, there' re THOUSANDS of members with duplicate account or only logged once!! the maintenance to smf (or mybb that are correctly trying to convert) can be piece of cake!!



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[*] posted on 31-7-2016 at 03:24


Looks like good progress, but that forum looks nothing like this forum yet. I'm sure when Polverone has some time he'll speak for himself, for now what might help most is if you wrote down every step you took. When the forum is fully functional and all extra plugins work Polverone can read through and decide if it's feasible to apply all the other tweaks and patches and that the effort is worth the reward.

There is also the risk that moving to a board with new features opens up new security holes.
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[*] posted on 31-7-2016 at 04:32


Marvin,
No... SMF is obviously (and undoubtedly) far better than XMB even in this state... And think I found a better one, myBB, which i've tried it and is incredible!! The double user can be merge... For instance there were 4 accounts of Chemplayer which I made them one... There are other Marvins as well which can be possibly your locked out account of yours.. And may other features (Chat, Avatars, custom smilies etc)!!!
And seriously... security issues? You know that XMB has stopped development since 2012 and only sometime made a fix in 2015?? all our data is at risk by staying in this platform... Moreover the issue of open .ova backups exposed all e-mails provided...
I'm not saying that the conversion went perfect.. There are some issues with syntax of quotes but it can be edited individually by the creator of the thread or post... But the users, groups, threads, posts passwords migrations went perfectly!!
MyBB is far more secured and there is no change of discontinued in the next 5 years at least...
Just a preview of MyBB...

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[*] posted on 20-10-2016 at 17:39


Hmm. Looks like akok is onto something.



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