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Antoncho
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Russian HyperLab: reformed and renewed
Hello guys and girls!
I beg everyone's pardon for posting this into the organic chemistry forum - I thouight I couldn't find a place more fit for this announcement since
our forum is dedicated to organic chemistry in essence.
So anyway, all I want is to inform you that https://www.hyperlab.info, the Russian-speaking forum of hobby chemists, has undergone some changes in the turn of this year.
The most important of these for you guys would be the fact that posting in English is now allowed all throughout the forum.
So, you shouldn't be shy to drop by whether it is to ask a chemical question or to request an article or even - who knows - to submit some useful
piece of chemical knowledge.
I also rewrote from scratch a preface for the English-speaking comrades, with all the hints and tips you might need, and here is the direct link for
it:
https://www.hyperlab.info/inv/index.php?act=ST&f=17&...
Once again I apologize for posting this here  Hope some of you will find this
post useful.
Antoncho
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Magpie
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I would like to look at the Russian site Antoncho but the links won't work for me. I'm running Firefox and get a "site untrusted" message.
The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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I remember getting unexpected hard porn on a similar Russian site . . .
I didn't hang around, just in case!
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A Einstein
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Sigh. The HyperLab always made me wish I had learned Russian (as do some textbooks).  But being terribly untalented in languages and the 6+ cases times 3 genders and the exceptions and the difficult
pronunciation and the alphabet and lack of time makes this hopeless. The online translators work quite well for the chemistry
postings, but the rest comes out as total gibberish. Possibly because of dialect/slang?
Associating the HyperLab with sleazy parts of the internet is an affront! You should be ashamed. Site works perfectly for me (also using Firefox).
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Ephoton
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thanx Antoncho this is awesome
hey whats the 3rd gender or should I not ask 
It is looking more like the hive I must say.
I think its a great move to bring the english world into ru.
Lets hope it doesnt cause them the same problems the hive
had though.
I notice there are more forums as well oh the excitment 
[Edited on 5-2-2012 by Ephoton]
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Bot0nist
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Quote: Originally posted by Magpie  | | I would like to look at the Russian site Antoncho but the links won't work for me. I'm running Firefox and get a "site untrusted" message.
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It's throwing the "untrusted flag." The site works if you allow the browser access. It is just warning you that the site may not be secure, to the
best of my very limited knowledge on the subject.
U.T.F.S.E. and learn the joys of autodidacticism!
Don't judge each day only by the harvest you reap, but also by the seeds you sow.
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Lambda-Eyde
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Hobby chemists, eh? Let's have a look at that site of yours... "MDA trip report", "Favorite psychedelic", "2C-E", "MDMA", "amphetamine from
alanine"... If you're running a drug forum, just be honest about it. Don't use "hobby chemistry" as some sort of cover or excuse.
I don't wanna be associated with such activities when I mention to my professor that I'm looking into buying a rotavap or spectrophotometer!
This just in: 95,5 % of the world population lives outside the USA
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Ephoton
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Look out he has a "professor"
This baby means business.
Why tell ya prof that your going to buy a rotavap is he going to let you claim the tax back
under his/her name ?
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solo
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde |
Hobby chemists, eh? Let's have a look at that site of yours... "MDA trip report", "Favorite psychedelic", "2C-E", "MDMA", "amphetamine from
alanine"... If you're running a drug forum, just be honest about it. Don't use "hobby chemistry" as some sort of cover or excuse.
I don't wanna be associated with such activities when I mention to my professor that I'm looking into buying a rotavap or spectrophotometer!
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.......I don't think they want puritans at that site, besides the defination is ...
"A hobby is a regular activity or interest that is undertaken for pleasure, typically done during one's leisure time. "
.....similar to whatever mundane activity you call hobby.....solo
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Ephoton
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dont worry solo he probably missed the disclamer saying that comercial cooks were expelled from there
site.
anyway its not a hobby for him he has a "professor"
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turd
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Huh? Didn't you have Latin or ancient Greek in school? Neuter of course. Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender :
| Quote: | | Russian: Masculine, Feminine, Neuter, Common (dual concord model), Reciprocal (one concord model). |
Ahhhh!!
| Quote: | | Hobby chemists, eh? Let's have a look at that site of yours... "MDA trip report", "Favorite psychedelic", "2C-E", "MDMA", "amphetamine from
alanine"... If you're running a drug forum, just be honest about it. Don't use "hobby chemistry" as some sort of cover or excuse.
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I'm eager to hear how drug chemistry is incompatible with being a hobby. With their anti-commercial policy they seem to be more hobbyist than this
place. Just look at all the commercial offers of labware and chemicals of dubious origins in "Reagents and Apparatus Acquisition". Not that it bothers
me.
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| Quote: | | You should be ashamed. |
Why?
I like a bit of two-dimensional fucking as much as the next man . . .
Give me the real, tactile thing, herniated disc or no herniated disc! ()())()
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Lambda-Eyde
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton | Look out he has a "professor"
This baby means business.
Why tell ya prof that your going to buy a rotavap is he going to let you claim the tax back
under his/her name ? |
What the hell is wrong with being civil? I didn't ask you to be a dick, I just voiced my opinion. If you can't be bothered to take the time to argue
against me and go directly to the ad hominem, then I'd (as would most people) prefer that you'd just refrain from cluttering the site.
As for telling my professor about my plans, I actually enjoy talking to them about my hobby. What I don't like is that 90% of chemists will raise
an eyebrow when I mention that I have a lab in my basement, either because they have had bad experiences with earlier students or because they've been
watching too much Breaking Bad.
Short story, I don't want "hobby chemistry" to be associated with people making meth or even rather complex, novel psychedelics in their labs. I want
to be able to tell people that I'm a hobby chemist and that I have my own private lab without getting shunned or interrogated.
If you make drugs, then fine. But be honest about it, and don't pretend you're not doing anything "controversial"... Anyways, I just wanted to make my
point clear. I have no interest in derailing this thread to yet another flame war...
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Nicodem
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| Quote: Originally posted by Magpie | | I would like to look at the Russian site Antoncho but the links won't work for me. I'm running Firefox and get a "site untrusted" message.
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That's the common issue with self-signed certificates for the HTTPS communication protocol. It is the same issue as we have it with the ScienceMadness
certificate - for the HTTPS use, the browser asks for a user confirmation rather than automatically download the certificate. Without confirmation the
HTTPS does not work.
| Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde | | Hobby chemists, eh? Let's have a look at that site of yours... "MDA trip report", "Favorite psychedelic", "2C-E", "MDMA", "amphetamine from
alanine"... If you're running a drug forum, just be honest about it. Don't use "hobby chemistry" as some sort of cover or excuse.
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You can only judge if it is hobby chemistry or not by reading the rules and checking if the discourse is kept in the spirit of the rules. The rules
are:
| Quote: | Finally, let me remind you that rules of HyperLab strictly forbid - and have always forbidden - any of the following:
discussion of opiate chemistry in any, even the remotest, form;
discussion of large-scale syntheses. 'Large' is considered anything over hypothetical 1000 medium doses of the substance in question;
any other form of commercially oriented activity. Nowadays, even a suspicion of someone's beeing a commercial cook is a valid excuse for a ban.
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Sounds like they have much more strict rules that we have at SM in regard to hobby&amateur vs. professional, which is in my opinion a good move
given their general orientation toward the synthesis of psychoactive compounds. It is probably the only way to keep such forums clean from wannabe
cooks and greedy or destructive members. Besides, some of the kewlish titles you cite sound like coming from the "Форум
Новичка (Newbee forum)" which is anything but representative. Would you judge SM by what you read in the
Beginner's section as well?
I have been following Hyperlab for years and they have been hobby and amateur oriented since their beginning. The scientific discourse maintained
there is something for which I can only envy their moderators and the dedication of their members toward actual experimental research is unsurpassed
by any other chemistry forum. I must say they are quite innovative in their moderation policies and SM could also benefit by adopting some of their
simple solutions.
| Quote: | | I don't wanna be associated with such activities when I mention to my professor that I'm looking into buying a rotavap or spectrophotometer!
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Of course it is not wise to be associated with anything at all as far as your professor goes and I sure don't know why would you even want to explain
to your professor that you are buying a rotavap or spectrophotometer? Don't do such things, you might regret it someday.
| Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde | | If you make drugs, then fine. But be honest about it, and don't pretend you're not doing anything "controversial"... Anyways, I just wanted to make my
point clear. I have no interest in derailing this thread to yet another flame war... |
Regardless of Ephoton's rudeness, you should calm down and realize that it is you who misunderstood the obvious - that nobody pretends anything. It is
obvious to me that Antoncho assumes that those to whom the information is relevant already know the Hyperlab. But even otherwise, if you would have
read the very first sentence of the Hyperlab's introduction page you would realize that nobody is concealing anything at all:
| Quote: | | ГиперЛаб - это
центральный форум
русскоязычной Сети,
посвящённый вопросам
химии и фармакологии
ненаркотических
перцепциотропных
средств (НПТС ). |
In translation this would be something like:
"GiperLab - is the central forum of Russian-speaking web, devoted to the chemistry and pharmacology of non-narcotic perceptiotropic
compounds."
(I assume "perceptiotropic" is some Russian term for "perception altering")
[Edited on 6/2/2012 by Nicodem]
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scientific temper, not in the scientific defense of the theory. - Weston La Barre (Ghost Dance, 1972)
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Magic Muzzlet
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Lambda-Eyde you just have no idea. You certainly cannot even see half of the forum!
More amateur research and reports are posted there than I have ever seen at SM too. It's not all drug related, the theme of the forum is of course
different... But you come to a conclusion without all the information, just like the chemists you tell about your lab.
And what is the point of coming here and exclaiming your view, then throwing in the pointless fact that you want to buy some instruments?
The Hyperlab has, like Nicodem just pointed out, more rules than here at SM. The moderators do a great job, it is more of a pleasure for me to read
Hyperlab than SM most of the time.
Thank you Antoncho, I love what you have done and what you are doing. Never stop, the community is grateful.
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anotheronebitesthedust
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"I wish I could openly practice my hobby of alchemy, but I fear the witch-hunters will shun me or accuse me of witchcraft!" ......blames witches.
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entropy51
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| Quote: Originally posted by Nicodem |
You can only judge if it is hobby chemistry or not by reading the rules and checking if the discourse is kept in the spirit of the rules. The rules
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| Quote: | discussion of large-scale syntheses. 'Large' is considered anything over hypothetical 1000 medium doses of the substance in question;
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Sounds like they have much more strict rules that we have at SM in regard to hobby&amateur vs. professional, which is in my opinion a good move
given their general orientation toward the synthesis of psychoactive compounds. |
Well I'm glad they cleared that up.
I think a lot of people would have erroneously assumed that one thousand doses of a psychoactive compound was most likely intended
for commercial sales and not for any kind of "hobby'.
I can't believe that you cited this as an example of a "strict rule". I think it is patently ridiculous.
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Ephoton
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try making under a thousand doses of something that has a 100 too 500 microgram dose
good luck.
Its never the people who were here in the beginning that try and shove there views on other people
its always the late comers who think they know everything.
[Edited on 13-2-2012 by Ephoton]
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AndersHoveland
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Perhaps you mean this site:
http://www.pirotek.info/12vv.htm
(the pornographic images seem to be gone now)
It is a good site.
http://www.pirotek.info/Vv2/furozan.htm
[Edited on 13-2-2012 by AndersHoveland]
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entropy51
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton | Its never the people who were here in the beginning that try and shove there views on other people
its always the late comers who think they know everything.
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Let's get one thing straight right now.
I have as much right as any other member to express my opinion, no matter how much or little you or other members like it or dislike it.
One laudable characteristic of the cooks is that they self-identify by trying to stifle discussion rather than welcoming a free exchange of ideas
about their little hobby.
Making odious ad hominem attacks such as yours (a) does not intimidate me in the slightest and (b) makes it apparent what a bully you think you are.
It appears that you are the one attempting to shove your views on others, by attempting to shut me up so that your view is the only one expressed
here. Good luck with that.
You are not exactly a charter member of the forum yourself, now are you?
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Ephoton
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Simply said this thread is going off topic so no you dont.
The topic is that hyperlab has now got an english interface and is welcoming english speaking
members.
If you wish to start a thread discussing the moral views of the few then by all means do so.
I promise not to shit can it like people are doing to this thread.
I may have been rude before as Nicodem pointed out but I believe that after everything that
antoncho has done for the online chemistry scene that he deserves at least the ability
to tell people about his site with out people putting anti drug propoganda all over his thread.
I cant help I agree with him and a lot of other people here.
I dont realy care what kind of member you think I am or what my post count is.
I agree with this quote and will stick up for Antoncho till the cows come home.
“The real drug-problem is that we need more and better drugs.” – J. Ott
I wonder if you even understood what I just said.
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entropy51
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ephoton | If you wish to start a thread discussing the moral views of the few then by all means do so.
I wonder if you even understood what I just said. |
Well it's quite obvious you did not understand what I
said.
I expressed absolutely no moral views about recreational drugs.
I just questioned whether 1000 doses qualifies as a hobby.
Most of the drugs discussed on that site have effective doses of many milligrams, not micrograms.
Just stop the bullying and ad hominem attacks.
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Of course it is not wise to be associated with anything at all as far as your professor goes and I sure don't know why would you even want to explain
to your professor that you are buying a rotavap or spectrophotometer? Don't do such things, you might regret it someday.
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Multiple professors have given me and still continue to give me chemicals and equipment. If you are legitimate, the best thing to do is to talk to an
OLDER professor, they are often likely to help you as long as they trust you and do not come across as a kewl or cook. The younger ones are generally
not worth your time as they often do not have real experience with amateur chemistry. I would assume the entire chemistry department where I am a
graduate student knows what I am working on. If we do not come out of the darkness, we will loose our right to do science.
Amateur NMR spectroscopist
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turd
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The quite common (and worthwile!) target DOB has a dose of 2-3 mg. To purify if by distillation with standard lab gear, you will need to work in 3-5 g
ranges. That's probably where the 1000 doses comes from. Nowadays there's even more potent easily reachable phenetylamines (the N-(2-methoxy-benzyl)
things), active in the 0.5 mg range. If you make a few gram of that, nobody will accuse you of being a commercial enterprise, on the other hand making
half a kg of speed... This is certainly not a strict rule, it's all about context. You're not questioning, you're denouncing.
To find out whether the site is hobby or commercial oriented - just read it. And you will see it IS more hobby oriented than SMDB, where people are
constantly selling labware, asking questions pertaining to their job, homework, etc.
| Quote: | | Making odious ad hominem attacks such as yours (a) does not intimidate me in the slightest and (b) makes it apparent what a bully you think you are.
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LOL! And that from arguably the biggest bully on this site. No problem - you obviously have a chip to carry on your shoulders. But it IS quite ironic
that the biggest bullies often are the whiniest persons too. 
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Ephoton
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That is a fair comment benzylchloride.
I would like to think that the same could apply for drug chemistry as well but alas too many
people only look at the negatives when it comes to researching and making drugs.
Not all people who make drugs are evil and are considering making large amounts of addictive
and life destroying compounds.
As always it is the few that destroy it for the many.
I think this is were the true insperation comes from hyperlab for some of us.
They are able to make and test more active compounds than any of the other groups that are
researching this field and still keep it from deteriorating into how do I make a kilo of P2P.
Even here we have mutiple Akabori threads.
A synth that leads to a life destroying compound.
on hyperlab you have to aquire kama to even see a post about an unsubstituted compound.
When one does get into this section of the board it is plain to see that realy it is not what there interested
in.
opiods are strictly banned (I believe this is due to the problems that russia had and has with opiods)
This is a responsible and very intellegent group of people.
If others could follow suit then just maby the darkness might not be so dark.
[Edited on 15-2-2012 by Ephoton]
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