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Stability of liquid Nitric Oxide (NO) ?
Does anyone know anything of the stability of nitric oxide, NO, gas? Can it be stored in pressurized tanks?
Nitric oxide is a gas, and being a radical molecule it is unusually reactive at normal temperatures, and often has complex chemistry. It spontaneously
reacts with oxygen, and can even reduce dilute nitric acid in an equilibrium reaction.
I thought that I read somewhere that nitric oxide was unstable, gradually disproportionating into nitrous oxide and nitrogen dioxide at normal
temperatures after around 20 minutes.
3 NO --> N2O + NO2
But this may be wrong.
The literature is conflicting on the stability of pure nitric oxide gas. This older paper claims there was no noticeable change after 40 years,
Stability of Nitric Oxide over a Long Time Interval
Charles S. Howard, Farrington Daniels
J. Phys. Chem., 1958, 62 (3), pp 360–361
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/j150561a030
Apparently cryogenically liquified nitric oxide can be detonated:
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"cryogenic distillation of liquid NO...
In liquid form, nitric oxide (NO) is an unpredictable, highly shock-sensitive, explosive. It is comparable to nitroglycerin.
Nitric oxide boils it -152 C and freezes at -163 C."
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Michael Fox (obtained Doctoral Degree in Physical Chemistry at University of Hawaii)
http://www.chemaxx.com/nitric_oxide_explosion2.htm
Fundamental research on explosives program
Thomas Rivera
Ind. Eng. Chem. Prod. Res. Dev., 1985, 24 (3), pp 440–442
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/i300019a021
One paper mentions that nitric oxide, in the form of its gas and solid phases, can also be detonated.
"Detonation studies with nitricoxide, nitrous oxide, nitrogen tetroxide, carbon monoxide, and ethylene"
John Ribovich, John Murphy, Richard Watson
Journal of Hazardous Materials
Volume 1, Issue 4, 1975–1976, pp 275–287
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Yes, it can be stored in a gas bottle. I found an old lecture bottle lurking in the back of the cupboard under my hood at work, along with one filled
with deuterium, and a couple with oxygen.
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AndersHoveland
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Are you sure it was not mislabbled? It might have just been nitrrous oxide. It seems these two gas names often get confused.
Is it possible to confirm that it is actually nitric oxide? Fill an empty transparent container of it in the absence of oxygen. It should be clear.
Then expose the gas to air. It should become brown.
This product discription would seem to suggest it can be stored in cylinders:
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Nitric Oxide, Compressed
Formula: NO
Nitrogen(II) Oxide
Corrosive gas
Nitric Oxide, UHP 99.5%
Nitrous Oxide >1000ppm
Nitrogen >3000ppm
Cylinder size 1.5m^3
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https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:1_1ST7GYNZUJ:...
[Edited on 11-6-2012 by AndersHoveland]
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No it was not mislabelled. I think "Nitric oxide, NO" is clear enough, don't you?
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Is it possible to confirm that it is actually nitric oxide? Fill an empty transparent container of it in the absence of oxygen. It should be clear.
Then expose the gas to air. It should become brown.
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I'm not faffing about to benefit your curiosity. Either believe the contents are as labelled, or don't.
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NO is stable on storage. I have made the gas quite a few times and kept it around in a closed glass bottle for much longer than 20 minutes. The gas
remains colorless on storage and only when oxygen is allowed to reach the gas it turns brown in seconds. It also quickly reacts with chlorine gas and
then turns orange (formation of ONCl). I also testen storage above water and this also shows that it is stable. A layer of NO above water does not
dissolve and the gas remains colorless.
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Just to sum up the thread.
YES, NO can be stored.
Dann2 (on behalf of Sir Hiss).
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My checking of MSDS for Nitric Oxide produced some results (if credible?).
One claims that containers are not sensitive to shock or static electricity. However, do limit temperature exposure to the compressed gas to under 52
C. Also, avoid freezing. Link: http://www.mesagas.com/_Specialty%20Gas%20MSDS/Nitric%20Oxid...
Another site notes that the containers can explode in a fire. Link: http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1357.pdf
From these warnings, I would surmise that the gas on freezing may, indeed, become shock sensitive. Also, mild heating of the compressed gas may also
precipitate an explosion.
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Hi, nitric oxide sounds like an interesting compound though does anyone have a reliable manufacturing method that wouldn't involve nitric acid in an
inert atmosphere or vacuum?
I think the easiest amateur method of production would be a Birkeland-Eyde reactor in a vacuum thoughts anyone?
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Is that a joke?
This just in: 95,5 % of the world population lives outside the USA
You should really listen to ABBAPlease drop by our IRC channel: #sciencemadness @ irc.efnet.org
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The easiest method of making NO (free of NO2) is reacting NaNO2 with FeSO4 in acidic solution. Just add solid NaNO2 to a solution of FeSO4 in dilute
acid and pure NO bubbles from solution.
Another option is adding solid NaNO2 to warm dilute acid, but then the NO2 must be scrubbed from the gas mix by passing the stream through water.
NaNO2 and FeSO4 both are chemicals which are not hard to get.
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 Oops, sorry for the ridiculous idea on this good science fourm, I will try better
next time.
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