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[*] posted on 9-6-2004 at 17:31
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Hi, I'm new here, and don't know if it is alright to post this, but has anybody ordered from www.chemicalsman.com
It's a UK company, the prices don't seem too bad, the selection of chemicals seems solely based on pyrotechnics, this site seems too good to be true.

I would like to hear off anybody that has had dealings with this company as it seems a little too good to be true. :(




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[*] posted on 9-6-2004 at 17:39


Hmm, it looks dodgy, and the site isn't well-made. I wonder how long it will last...
The labels on the bottles look suspiciously like those from Timstar bottles, plus prices aren't exactly good.
Maybe try it out with something innocuous, and small amounts.




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[*] posted on 9-6-2004 at 17:52


I'm pretty new to chemistry, What do you reckon would draw the least attention?
also, i've never ordered chemicals off the net before, who are/were timstar bottles? i can't find any real reference to them on the net.




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[*] posted on 9-6-2004 at 18:51


You could order something really innocuous like NaCl, K2SO4/Na2SO4 or other simple ones like this that dont really have illict uses. Try to stay away from things like drug precursors, powefull oxidizers, powdered metals on your first order from such an unwell known supplier.
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[*] posted on 9-6-2004 at 19:19


Have a look at their (crappy) website, they don't seem to HAVE anything even remotely innocent, I suppose if I don't hear any bad experiences from other members, I might take the risk of ordering some magnesium ribbon or turnings, as far as I know there isn't too much suspicion attatched to magnesium, I'm pretty much certain I can't be busted for it anyway :)



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[*] posted on 10-6-2004 at 12:43


I would have thought theyre probably opportunistic - dont seem to know the difference between KCl and KClO3 , payment only by paypal. Nothing theyre selling is controlled - just hard to get if your buying in small quantities. And naturally theyre only selling stuff there would be a high demand on - with a high margin.

Don't forget in the UK the authorities dont run sugar traps - we call it entrapment! It can all be bought on ebay anyway. Remember that its not 500g quantities thats sus - it takes a van full of AN/diesel that more worrying.

Also I never heard of Pot. Persulphate being using in pyro comps.
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[*] posted on 10-6-2004 at 13:27


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Also I never heard of Pot. Persulphate being using in pyro comps.


Possibly because:

A) It's insane & unsafe.
B) The persons who have actually tried it are not capable of telling the results...




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[*] posted on 10-6-2004 at 15:17


Well I must be one of those who survived :P
Actually, it was the most boring oxidiser I tried for pyro. It wouldnt burn with sugar or anything, the only thing I achieved a very timid firy reaction with was sulphur. Definitely no safety hazard... unless you decide to mix it with phosphorous of course... but no oxidiser is safe with it anyway.




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[*] posted on 10-6-2004 at 15:59


Well phosphorus IS my favourite element...:D

Could somebody post a link to a list of UK forbidden/watched chemicals, as I'm not too sure about the more unusual stuff thats going to get me fingered by the long arm of the law (apart from stuff like methylamine, PCl3 etc. :cool:)

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[*] posted on 22-9-2004 at 14:23


That guy who runs it appears to be genuine.
He has a account on ebay and regually sells stuff there.




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[*] posted on 2-10-2004 at 18:40
Persulphate


I bought some potassium persulphate from a supplier on eBay. Chemoleo,
you're right about the slow burn rate although I won't underestimate any
oxidizer. As it is, the persulfate was 1 of those compounds I experimented
with for perchlorate electrolysis. I've since found that NaF is better.
Before these 2 it was potassium dichromate.

Back on topic - I've never had any trouble with chemical suppliers on
eBay. The problem I find is that there isn't enough of them ! The
prices have always been reasonable to great depending on whom
I'm buying from.




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[*] posted on 5-10-2004 at 02:47


He also owns a company called www.kno3.com i have heard that people do not get there supplies, and some do so if that is the case i wouldnt buy of him the kno3.com website is also more presentable which does get you thinking if it is an ok company
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[*] posted on 5-10-2004 at 09:51
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The prices on that site are EXPENSIVE ! I'm glad I shop elsewhere.



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[*] posted on 5-10-2004 at 10:15


i thought some of them were pretty cheap eg sodium 25g for £14 or potassium or sodium chlorate where do you shop then
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[*] posted on 5-10-2004 at 15:43


14 pounds for 25g!?!?!?! That's INSANE. Even Unitednuclear's prices are cheaper than that! You really need to shop around.
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[*] posted on 6-10-2004 at 13:14


As you may learn, there are other sources of chemicals like these than pyro suppliers. In some parts of Europe, NaClO<sub>3</sub> is used as a weedkiller. You just have to look around.
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[*] posted on 7-10-2004 at 14:08


Because I'm just starting chemistry, I don't really have many. The ones I do have have mostly been acquired from supermarkets, hardware stores, pool supply stores, etc. You just have tonknow where to look and what to look for. If I did have any good sources, I wouldn't post them anyway, for fear of k3wls getting to and destroying them.
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[*] posted on 7-10-2004 at 20:41


Neutrino I know how you feel about k3wls and others of poor judgement when it comes to source abuse. I have recently found some good sources with very cheap prices and would like to share this with the forum. However, these sources would likely dry up if they received too much bad publicity due to the actions of k3wls and the like.



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[*] posted on 24-10-2004 at 00:52


I frequently buy stuff from this guy via ebay and KNO3.com. I have had no problems and delivery is usually within a day or two.

However, his price for potassium perchlorate is obscene - 500g for £65!!!

If anyone knows a source of this either in the UK or who will ship to the UK I would appreciate it.
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[*] posted on 24-10-2004 at 04:56


This company will (most likely, see here) ship to the UK.

You'll find KClO<SUB>4</SUB> in the price list found here. Look for <b>Kaliumperklorat</b>.

They're not cheap, but seems to be only 1/3 as expensive as your source. Don't try to order NH<SUB>4</SUB>ClO<SUB>4</SUB> though, you'll have hell with the paperwork (it's classified as a strategic chemical).




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[*] posted on 9-12-2004 at 03:03


I will have some feedback as to the definate quality of service from KNO3.com.

I currently have 100g of phosphorus on the way, and will post feedback on how it went when my RP arrives:)

Edit: not at a bad price either, they don't charge shipping in the UK, and the phosphorus itself cost arund £20 for 100 grams.

[Edited on 9-12-2004 by Reverend Necroticus Rex]




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[*] posted on 14-12-2004 at 08:49


My order came today, perhaps a little slower than I would have liked, but it came, so thats what matters:)

Actually, I believe it came 2 days ago, but it wouldn't fit through my door, so I had to send my father to pick it up from the mail sorting office:D




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[*] posted on 16-12-2004 at 06:04
smart move..


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I currently have 100g of phosphorus on the way, and will post feedback on how it went when my RP arrives


I hope you will be able to continue giving feedback, 'cause in this sad day and age your order might -as I hope you realize- cause certain authorities to come knocking on your door to see what your intented purpose with that substance is.

Red phosphorous is not only a well-known reagens in methamphetamine manufacture, but so much more, especially if your first name happens to be Rachid or Mohammed if you catch my drift... :o
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[*] posted on 16-12-2004 at 10:35


Except when they get to your front door, they won't knock.

The company certainly used to be kosher. Likely watched and you could end up on a list.

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[*] posted on 16-12-2004 at 11:36


For that he would need to be an american, in Canada and other country RP is not that watched.
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