Reverend Necroticus Rex
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Weird foamy stuff on my NaClO
I made some sodium hypochlorite a few days ago by bubbling chlorine through hot conc. NaOH solution, and when I went to use it today, there was a
thick layer of nasty looking foam on the top of the jar, I suspect that the amount of Cl I had used while making it may have been a touch on the large
side, and not the entire top of the contents of the jar it's stored in has turned to a quite dense white foam, sort of like marshmallow and the
solution smells nothing like bleach.
Is it possible that the chlorate may have been formed instead of or alongside the hypochlorite by formation of hypochlorous and hydrochloric acid in
situ forming NaCl which is then turned to NaClO3 by the ongoing chlorination?
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Hot NaOH with chlorine added produces almost entirely chlorate. The solution must be kept cool (10 - 15 C) to produce NaOCl like you were intending
to. Perchlorate is not possible in this manner.
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I am actually quite glad to have the chlorate, not entirely bad, as I had run out of NaClO3 
I bet the foam on the top of the jar was caused by the remaining chlorine bubbling up through the solution, there was quite a fizz of gas released as
I unscrewed the lid on the jar, i bet the foam will be good when it dries to make a superfine chlorate powder, great for pyrotechnics
[Edited on 20-6-2004 by Reverend Necroticus Rex]
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electrolysis of NaOH + NaCl
Will electrolysis of a hot solution of NaOh and NaCl yeild a good amount of sodium chlorate?
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A chlorate cell such as what you just asked about are heavily covered, both here and expecially elsewhere on the internet. The addition of NaOH is
not necessary as the NaCl breaks down to NaOH and Cl2 as the electrolysis proceeds. But there is plenty of information elsewhere.
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The chlorate from my (failed?) reaction has crystallised in its jar, with a layer of NaOH-slime on the top, and formed a mas of very pretty and well
formed crystals, however they are contaminated with quite a lot of NaOH  I am
going to make a hot solution of the whole thing and chlorinate again in an effort to remove the NaOH and hopefully I will be left with some nice pure
NaClO3
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Would adding sodium carbonate to the solution of the mixture precipitate sodium hydrogen carbonate? The sodium carbonate must be added slowly to
prevent excess of carbonate dissolved.
Theory guides, experiment decides.
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NH3?
I made a little Potaasium chlorate by adding KNO3 to NaClO3. There was a smell of ammonia. How could this be?
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What was your source of NaClO3? You must have some impurities somewhere, most probably aluminium and sodium hydroxide which give off NH3 on rxn with a
nitrate (/nitrite).
Theory guides, experiment decides.
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I made my from electrolysis of NaCl so it probably did have some NaOH
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I am just going to try repeated washings and recrystallisations of my chlorate, as the NaOH isn't going to crystallise, so I think just repeated
recrystallisations will dissolve the chlorate and get rid of the excess NaOH, either that or I will just re-chlorinate it so the rest gets converted
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