Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Reductive amination question
akcapr
Harmless
*




Posts: 21
Registered: 26-5-2005
Location: Washington
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 30-10-2012 at 12:20
Reductive amination question


Reductive aminations proceed often in acidic media, or sometimes even in neat organic acid such as AcOH. Since reductive amination includes a nucleophilic addition of the amine to the carbonyl carbon to form the hemiaminal, wouldnt the acidic environment of the reaction prevent this from occuring due to protonation of the amine? I know acidic catalyzes the reduction of the schiff base, but Im just confused how the aminal forms when most of the amines in solution are likely protonated.

Thanks




View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Nicodem
Super Moderator
Thread Moved
30-10-2012 at 12:51
Nicodem
Super Moderator
*******




Posts: 4230
Registered: 28-12-2004
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 1-11-2012 at 11:29


Quote: Originally posted by akcapr  
Since reductive amination includes a nucleophilic addition of the amine to the carbonyl carbon to form the hemiaminal, wouldnt the acidic environment of the reaction prevent this from occuring due to protonation of the amine?

Your question is not specific enough for an exact answer, because "reductive amination" is a name for all reductive transformations of ketone or aldehyde functional groups to amino groups. There are numerous reagents, methods and conditions to do this and not all involve acidic media. However, from your post I can see that you think that amines get protonated quantitatively with weak acids such as the acetic acid or at pH from 3 to 5 (as required for the reduction with NaCNBH3). This is not the case. Protonation is an equilibrium reaction of which the equilibrium is described by pKa values. Even in acetic acid as the solvent, amines are not quantitatively protonated. They are probably even less protonated as they would be with an equivalent of acetic acid in water as solvent (the acetate is a stronger base in acetic acid than it is in water).




…there is a human touch of the cultist “believer” in every theorist that he must struggle against as being unworthy of the scientist. Some of the greatest men of science have publicly repudiated a theory which earlier they hotly defended. In this lies their scientific temper, not in the scientific defense of the theory. - Weston La Barre (Ghost Dance, 1972)

Read the The ScienceMadness Guidelines!
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top