Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Zinc peroxide
Tdep
National Hazard
****




Posts: 516
Registered: 31-1-2013
Location: Laser broken since Feb 2020 lol
Member Is Offline

Mood: PhD is done! It isn't good but it's over lol

[*] posted on 13-6-2013 at 01:35
Zinc peroxide


I've read in places that zinc peroxide can be formed by the reaction of either the zinc chloride, oxide, acetate or ammomonical sulphate with hydrogen peroxide.

But has anyone actually tried this? If so, which of these did you use and was it as simple as mix with H2O2 in excess and heat, waiting for the yellow precipitate?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Finnnicus
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 342
Registered: 22-3-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 13-6-2013 at 02:11


I really doubt that. I believe it would be more like the production of sodium peroxide. Here.

Terribly sorry. You are correct zinc chloride and hydrogen peroxide react. Wonder if the oxygenated melt would work for zinc?

[Edited on 13-6-2013 by Finnnicus]




View user's profile View All Posts By User
Adas
National Hazard
****




Posts: 711
Registered: 21-9-2011
Location: Slovakia
Member Is Offline

Mood: Sensitive to shock and friction

[*] posted on 14-6-2013 at 12:52


Actually this should work with ZnO, with Zn salts you should have to use NH3, too. With Ca salts this works.



Rest In Pieces!
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Tdep
National Hazard
****




Posts: 516
Registered: 31-1-2013
Location: Laser broken since Feb 2020 lol
Member Is Offline

Mood: PhD is done! It isn't good but it's over lol

[*] posted on 14-6-2013 at 19:49


I've seen many reports that it should work, but has no-one tried it? I don't get how it would work as ZnO is insoluable and so it the ZnO2, so how does one go about seperating the two?

Also, there is this http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pages/US4172841-3...
which describes a zinc acetate-peroxide sort of complex, no-one has tried this? Is it even energetic?

[Edited on 15-6-2013 by Tdep]
View user's profile View All Posts By User
DubaiAmateurRocketry
National Hazard
****




Posts: 841
Registered: 10-5-2013
Location: LA, CA, USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: In research

[*] posted on 14-6-2013 at 22:41


Zinc peroxide can be synthesized through the reaction of zinc chloride and hydrogen peroxide.[3]

^ On wiki, i believe that true...

So...

Any ways i can make Zinc chloride ? How to make it, I have Zinc, Sodium chloride, Potassium chloride, I have many copper salts. So i blieve Copper sulfate and sodium chloride makes Copper II Chloride ????

And if so Zn + CuCl2 --> ZnCl2 + Cu Right ?? Ok plz some one confirm i really want to make zinc peroxide :)




View user's profile View All Posts By User
Tdep
National Hazard
****




Posts: 516
Registered: 31-1-2013
Location: Laser broken since Feb 2020 lol
Member Is Offline

Mood: PhD is done! It isn't good but it's over lol

[*] posted on 16-6-2013 at 02:28


Well zinc + HCl seems the first option but yes, CuCl2 + Zn would work, provided you drived it to completion.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Nitro-esteban
Harmless
*




Posts: 39
Registered: 10-4-2013
Location: Fifth dimension
Member Is Offline

Mood: inert

[*] posted on 20-6-2013 at 13:19


I tried reacting a ZnCl2 solution with 3% hydrogen peroxide and the miture turned a bit orange but there was no precipitate. I made the ZnCl2 by reacting zinc and hydrochloric acid. Zn + 2 HCl = ZnCl2 + H2.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Tdep
National Hazard
****




Posts: 516
Registered: 31-1-2013
Location: Laser broken since Feb 2020 lol
Member Is Offline

Mood: PhD is done! It isn't good but it's over lol

[*] posted on 20-6-2013 at 15:44


I have a solution of zinc chloride in 6% peroxide that has no visable change to it after two days in the fridge.

The zinc chloride was made from ZnCO3 and HCl
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Tdep
National Hazard
****




Posts: 516
Registered: 31-1-2013
Location: Laser broken since Feb 2020 lol
Member Is Offline

Mood: PhD is done! It isn't good but it's over lol

[*] posted on 27-6-2013 at 16:45
Success!



So I kept a suspension of zinc oxide in 80ml of 6% H2O2 and after a week the colour of the oxide gradually shifted to a yellow and it most certainly kicks up a fuss when exposed to an open flame. I am most confident this is zinc peroxide.

Here is a picture of it burning when I put a match on it. You can sort of see the blue-green flame colour (it was much more apparent in person). This is characterisic of zinc metal burning from experience, but is zinc metal one of the products of decompostion? I assumed it went:

2ZnO2 --> 2ZnO + O2

But does it actually more go:

ZnO2 --> Zn + O2 ?

Obviously the zinc burns instantly but still...

Capture.PNG - 442kB Capture2.PNG - 711kB
View user's profile View All Posts By User
symboom
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1143
Registered: 11-11-2010
Location: Wrongplanet
Member Is Offline

Mood: Doing science while it is still legal since 2010

[*] posted on 25-1-2014 at 19:02
Preparation of Zinc peroxide


AS from this patent


Preparation of Zinc Peroxide

In a 6-liter three-necked flask equipped with an agitator, a contact thermometer, a reflux condenser, and a dropping funnel, 1438 g (5 moles) of ZnSO4.7H2 O is dissolved in 750 ml of water under heating and to this solution 1.5 liters of a concentrated solution of ammonia in water is quickly added. During this step, the precipitated Zn(OH)2 is redissolved. At a temperature of 80.degree. C., 1.5 liters of 30% strength H2 O2 is added in increments of, respectively, 100 ml so rapidly that frothing remains under control. The temperature can also be maintained at 95.degree.-100.degree. C. up to a vigorous refluxing of the solution. This procedure lasts about 1 hour. After the addition of H2 O2 is completed, the mixture is stirred for another 10 minutes, then vacuum-filtered in the hot state, and washed with water until the filtrate is free of sulfate. The residue is dried at room temperature. The following table gives the yields and a number of properties of the resulting zinc peroxide in dependence on the reaction temperature

thhere seems to be able to use zinc chloride too

i seem to be having dificulty in forming zinc peroxide

first wikipedia states add hydrogen peroxide zinc chloride
which it not clear hasanyone have had sucess in this

View user's profile View All Posts By User
Tdep
National Hazard
****




Posts: 516
Registered: 31-1-2013
Location: Laser broken since Feb 2020 lol
Member Is Offline

Mood: PhD is done! It isn't good but it's over lol

[*] posted on 26-1-2014 at 00:10


I did succeed in making this, via a suspension of ZnO in 6% peroxide. However, I found it impossible to extract the resultant peroxide from any unreacted ZnO, which I really think limited its properties.

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=24626#...
View user's profile View All Posts By User
AJKOER
Radically Dubious
*****




Posts: 3026
Registered: 7-5-2011
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 27-1-2014 at 19:14


Is it possible to improve the preparation of this and other peroxides by limiting water. The logic is that since ZnO2, CaO2,... all start to decompose in water, why use a largely water based path?

For example, in place of watered down H2O2, try to dissolve 2Na2CO3.3H2O2 in the cold concentrated NH3 solution of Zn(OH)2. Then, separate out the ZnO2 to limit decomposition.

I may have an opportunity to test/experiment this preparation variation, which is less expensive than using 30% H2O2 with possibly better results than using dilute H2O2.

[EDIT] Here is a possible variation on my modified preparation: replace concentrated ammonia with a warm concentrated aqueous solution of NH4Cl in the presence of Na2CO3. Expected reaction employing an excess of NH4Cl in the dark (if this reaction is to continue over days, best to limit any possible photolysis side reactions between ammonia and oxygen forming nitrates):

2 NH4Cl (aq) + Na2CO3. 3/2H2O2 (s) + Zn(OH)2 (s) ---> 2 NaCl (aq) + (NH4)2CO3 (aq) + Zn(OH)2 (s) + 3/2 H2O2 (aq)

and on warming:

(NH4)2CO3 (aq) --> 2 NH3 (g) + H2O (g) + CO2 (g)

However, not sure if it is best to warm the solution as it could contribute to the decomposition of the ZnO2, and more immediately, while fostering the ammonium complex formation with Zn(OH)2 and the overall reaction, at over 50 C, a side reaction between H2O2 and NH3 may occur (forming nitrite and potentially liberating volumes of N2 gas with time).

[Edited on 28-1-2014 by AJKOER]
View user's profile View All Posts By User
bfesser
Resident Wikipedian
Threads Merged
27-1-2014 at 20:29
bfesser
Resident Wikipedian
Thread Moved
27-1-2014 at 20:40
symboom
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1143
Registered: 11-11-2010
Location: Wrongplanet
Member Is Offline

Mood: Doing science while it is still legal since 2010

[*] posted on 29-1-2014 at 12:23


strangely enough i dont see the same reaction working for zinc peroxide as it does for the synthesis of silver peroxide reaction of silver nitrate with persulfate salt forming nitric acid, sodium sulfate and silver peroxide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_a81M9p2so
here is the video of silver peroxide synthesis

[Edited on 29-1-2014 by symboom]
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top