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wink.gif posted on 8-1-2015 at 11:50


Quote: Originally posted by Dr.Bob  
You can heat things in mason jars, just not quickly or with a very hot source of heat. They are made of soda lime glass which expands a lot with heating, unlike Pyrex or other glasses designed to handle harsh heating well (low coefficient of expansion). But most glasses will break if heated too fast or unevenly. Round pieces are stronger in general, which is one reason why round flasks are used, not square ones.

If you are trying to modify text tubes, make sure that they are the same type of glass as the tubing that you have. If you have a soda lime tube and borosilicate glass tubing, they will be very hard to connect together, or for the opposite as well. I see more and more test tubes made of cheaper non-borosilicate glass nowadays.


The test tube became deformed at the spot I was applying heat. I think I essentially un-annealed that part of the test tube, and when I moved the flame to another spot the differential caused it to crack.

Now that you mention it! The glass tube I was attempting to add to the test tube is flint glass! I don't know what difficulty this would add during my attempts, but this one ended in failure.

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[*] posted on 11-1-2015 at 07:07


Uggh, I was distilling some solvents yesterday outside, and after I was done I went inside and left the apparatus to cool down. I came back around an hour later and the condenser had shattered. Even though there was salt in the water and the water was still being pumped, the entire jacket froze and was cracked throughout. Next time I'm adding antifreeze and draining the condenser right afterwards.
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[*] posted on 11-1-2015 at 11:47


That's ridiculous! What kind of condenser?



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[*] posted on 11-1-2015 at 12:04


Liebig, it was Chinese and the ice expanded enough to crack it. Don't know if this would have happened with a Pyrex condenser...
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[*] posted on 19-1-2015 at 21:27


Quote: Originally posted by gdflp  
Liebig, it was Chinese and the ice expanded enough to crack it. Don't know if this would have happened with a Pyrex condenser...


Ice in a Liebig? What happened there? :o I mean, unless it was a high MP solvent...? But the salt was there... Confusing.

I'm thinking of getting a Liebig from a Chinese seller on eBay, costs about $25. Did you have any other problems with yours?

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[*] posted on 19-1-2015 at 21:58


He didn't put ice in the cooling jacket, he left the cold water in there outside after distillation and it froze. The expanding ice probably would have done the same in any quality of glass, so I'd say it's better that it happened in a cheap Chinese setup then a Pyrex one.



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[*] posted on 20-1-2015 at 10:08


No, I didn't have any other problems except for some smaller bubbles around the water outtake of the jacket. All of the condensers had small bubbles around there, I'm still fighting with the seller about that one. They're telling me in broken English that they will replace them if I have any issues, anyone else have more experience with this? The seller in question is interlabglassware, anyone know if they could be trusted, or should I open up a case with eBay? I'm less worried about the condensers, and more worried about the 3-neck 250ml rbf with reasonably big bubbles, a Claisen adapter with bubbles, and a 100ml addition funnel with bubbles in the neck.

The condenser I got was cheaper, it only cost around $14, but it seemed to work reasonably well.
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[*] posted on 20-1-2015 at 15:56


Too bad.
I have an ancient Pyrex Florence flask of an adult friend of mine's. It has a good sized bubble in the side. It's my most used flask, too.




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[*] posted on 28-1-2015 at 14:42


Years ago, a bright-eyed undergrad, I received my Unknown Compound on the first day of organic lab.

"Put your unknowns in the oven to dry," the supervisor said, "And come to the front for instructions."

Over the next fifteen minutes, paper work we were supposed to have already studied was read aloud to us. "Get to it!" the supervisor said.

I opened the door of the oven to retrieve my unknown. Acrid smoke billowed out of the oven.

Everyone else's white powders were glittering just fine on their filter papers. Mine had decomposed into black goo.

Let's just say that the semester didn't really improve from there. The highlight was the fellow who tried to walk a full pipette of thionyl chloride from the fume hood to his bench. Vapor pressure quickly built inside, sufficient to empty the pipette all over everything between the hood and the benches. He tried this twice.




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[*] posted on 28-1-2015 at 21:50


I've been in the hobby for about 2 years now and I've only had one accident and it was a minor one. I had some 3M Sodium Hydroxide solution in a glass bottle. Somehow the bottom of the bottle had cracked (probably when I put it down on the shelf last time I used it) and as soon as I opened the lid it started spraying out everywhere. It went all over most of my labels and I got some on my hands but since it wasn't a very strong solution and I washed it off pretty fast it didn't do anything besides tingle a little. The biggest casualty was all the labels. The NaOH turned them all green and made them fall apart.



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[*] posted on 28-1-2015 at 22:27


Quote: Originally posted by gdflp  
No, I didn't have any other problems except for some smaller bubbles around the water outtake of the jacket. All of the condensers had small bubbles around there, I'm still fighting with the seller about that one. They're telling me in broken English that they will replace them if I have any issues, anyone else have more experience with this? The seller in question is interlabglassware, anyone know if they could be trusted, or should I open up a case with eBay? I'm less worried about the condensers, and more worried about the 3-neck 250ml rbf with reasonably big bubbles, a Claisen adapter with bubbles, and a 100ml addition funnel with bubbles in the neck.

The condenser I got was cheaper, it only cost around $14, but it seemed to work reasonably well.


Interlab is the sticker on a box set of glassware I bought on Amazon. That sticker was placed over a printed label in Chinese. My point is ALL of the 32 pieces in the set had issues. Mianly air bubbles in the glass, and malformed rims.
Even a product as simple as a glass funnel had a haze to it, and the stem was clearly attached, and not one piece blown/molded.
You will get no satisfaction from them as a company. They wanted me to pay to return (shipping) plus a "re-stock" fee.

I gave the whole deal to my 10yo grandson, and ordered new gear from Deschem on Ebay. I'm not spamming for them... As a business they gave me 10% off the order, and free shipping over 100.00USD

You can google the company, and find them that way too. They take pride in the glass they produce, and the company is 100% legit.

I'm just trying to help others avoid the Amazon kit, and Interlab.




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[*] posted on 3-2-2015 at 08:28


Had a little accident doing a synthesis of urine from EtOH with a few ''lab partners''
A champagne bottle slipped through my hand (I had sabered it earlier) and the sharp rim sliced open my hand where the artery enters the index finger. It soon became a big bloody mess which chased away most of my guests :(
I stopped the bleeding and put in 2 stitches but one tore out the next day when I was lifting a coal bag.

This also gave me a chance to look over the first aid kit, which is more of a chest the size of a small travel bag. Looks like most things in there are past use, tape that doesn't stick, crumbling rubber things, cracked splints, Mercurochrome, chromic catgut sutures (how long have those been obsolete?),...
we do have a nice collection of hardware though, even a pair of chest cutter (God knows why they are in a first aid kit :P) but apparently my dad used to raid deserted hospitals for the leftover equipment

On another note: My dad is in Brussels with a brain hemorrhage since yesterday so I have the place to my own

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[*] posted on 4-2-2015 at 00:33


Quote: Originally posted by mayko  

I opened the door of the oven to retrieve my unknown. Acrid smoke billowed out of the oven.
Everyone else's white powders were glittering just fine on their filter papers. Mine had decomposed into black goo.

why did that happen ?
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The highlight was the fellow who tried to walk a full pipette of thionyl chloride from the fume hood to his bench. Vapor pressure quickly built inside, sufficient to empty the pipette all over everything between the hood and the benches

why couldn't he just use a syringe ? how did the others do it?
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[*] posted on 26-2-2015 at 16:08


I set a beaker in the freezer for recrystallization last night, and went to goof around with other things while the solution cooled. It went completely out of my mind, of course. When I checked today everything was frozen solid; the bottom of the beaker pushed out cleanly, still adhering to the ice-covered crystals in a nice round fragment. RIP 1000 mL.
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[*] posted on 26-2-2015 at 16:14


Quote: Originally posted by Etaoin Shrdlu  
I set a beaker in the freezer for recrystallization last night, and went to goof around with other things while the solution cooled. It went completely out of my mind, of course. When I checked today everything was frozen solid; the bottom of the beaker pushed out cleanly, still adhering to the ice-covered crystals in a nice round fragment. RIP 1000 mL.
I hear ya. I hate losing my 1000mL beakers. <sniff>
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[*] posted on 26-2-2015 at 16:34


Quote: Originally posted by CuReUS  
Quote: Originally posted by mayko  

I opened the door of the oven to retrieve my unknown. Acrid smoke billowed out of the oven.
Everyone else's white powders were glittering just fine on their filter papers. Mine had decomposed into black goo.

why did that happen ?


I would guess that the grad student who was preparing the unknown samples didn't consider thermal decomposition, and the lab supervisor didn't check the list to make sure they could all be oven-dried safely.

Quote: Originally posted by CuReUS  

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The highlight was the fellow who tried to walk a full pipette of thionyl chloride from the fume hood to his bench. Vapor pressure quickly built inside, sufficient to empty the pipette all over everything between the hood and the benches

why couldn't he just use a syringe ? how did the others do it?


They were supposed to use the pipette to add the thionyl chloride under the hood, and carry the reaction flask back.

Quote: Originally posted by Etaoin Shrdlu  
I set a beaker in the freezer for recrystallization last night, and went to goof around with other things while the solution cooled. It went completely out of my mind, of course. When I checked today everything was frozen solid; the bottom of the beaker pushed out cleanly, still adhering to the ice-covered crystals in a nice round fragment. RIP 1000 mL.


My recent adventure in Reagent and Apparatus DeAcquisition:

It's relatively mild, but the wind is howling as I tidy my lab and let a Fischer esterification reflux. The lights go out: at first I think the breaker has tripped, but in fact the windstorm overhead has taken out the power lines.

Eff it, I say. I unplug my heater and go to sleep early.

I wake up cold. It's really cold outside. I feed the cat, brew some coffee, and stumble outside to restart the reaction, now that the power is back on.

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NO!

condenser_catacstrophe2.jpg - 43kB

NOOOOOOOO

Turns out, water expands upon freezing :P

The bright side is, I learned that a pressure-equalizing addition funnel can work as a reflux condenser in a pinch in an unheated lab...




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[*] posted on 27-2-2015 at 16:49


Oh dear. A condenser's much worse to lose than a beaker. Glad you found a substitute though.
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[*] posted on 3-3-2015 at 09:22


That's horrible! Sorry for your loss!



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[*] posted on 3-3-2015 at 15:11


Is there an address to send flowers?

I feel terrible now...

How do you deal w/ Chemical storage? Or the water pipes?
I'd be a nervous wreck all the time.




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[*] posted on 3-3-2015 at 16:22


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How do you deal w/ Chemical storage?


Most chemicals contract upon freezing, so although I've watched the acetic acid and the DMSO solidify, the bottles are fine. It hasn't gotten cold enough to worry about aqueous solutions. (Yay colligative properties!)

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In my house, yeah... but this is like the one advantage to not having running water in the shed :cool:

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Heh... I don't need an excuse for that!




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[*] posted on 4-3-2015 at 17:59


I smashed my 60mL fritted funnel today :(:(
Went to grab something behind it and as I was pulling it out I bumped it out of the cabinet. Maybe I should rearrange my setup...




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[*] posted on 4-3-2015 at 18:55


Quote: Originally posted by mayko  
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How do you deal w/ Chemical storage?


Most chemicals contract upon freezing, so although I've watched the acetic acid and the DMSO solidify, the bottles are fine. It hasn't gotten cold enough to worry about aqueous solutions. (Yay colligative properties!)

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Or the water pipes?


In my house, yeah... but this is like the one advantage to not having running water in the shed :cool:

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I'd be a nervous wreck all the time.


Heh... I don't need an excuse for that!



Only because I have NO clue on how to make multiple quotes...

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[*] posted on 4-3-2015 at 19:08


Quote: Originally posted by TheAustralianScientist  
I smashed my 60mL fritted funnel today :(:(
Went to grab something behind it and as I was pulling it out I bumped it out of the cabinet. Maybe I should rearrange my setup...



Hey TheAustralianScientist~

If you all want a light sucker as a member... I might be interested.

I'm thinking "Black Holes are actually giant drains in the space time fabric.

F" Hawkins, and that other Light bulb guy.

They both have it backwards.

I'll invent the math to prove it (with your groups help)

Bert knows what i'm talking about. So does Mr. BlogFast.

We'll make an EtOH sucker that uses the sun for power to travel to another realm... Oh wait! I already did that.

I'll make the theories, and you guys make the math...

50 /50 but I GET THE WINE!!!!! (45 / 77 ) or something like that.

I KNOW it all sucks, and I can prove it!





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[*] posted on 4-3-2015 at 19:26


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Quote: Originally posted by Zombie  
Quote: Originally posted by TheAustralianScientist  
I smashed my 60mL fritted funnel today :(:(
Went to grab something behind it and as I was pulling it out I bumped it out of the cabinet. Maybe I should rearrange my setup...



Hey TheAustralianScientist~

If you all want a light sucker as a member... I might be interested.

I'm thinking "Black Holes are actually giant drains in the space time fabric.

F" Hawkins, and that other Light bulb guy.

They both have it backwards.

I'll invent the math to prove it (with your groups help)

Bert knows what i'm talking about. So does Mr. BlogFast.

We'll make an EtOH sucker that uses the sun for power to travel to another realm... Oh wait! I already did that.

I'll make the theories, and you guys make the math...

50 /50 but I GET THE WINE!!!!! (45 / 77 ) or something like that.

I KNOW it all sucks, and I can prove it!



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