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[*] posted on 15-8-2014 at 13:31


Try food-grade gloves. In a different thread I tried tested them, amazingly, they withstand even fuming nitric acid for over 20 minutes of contact.
Of course try it yourself before putting them on to be sure they are the same, but they should work fine.




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[*] posted on 15-8-2014 at 17:23


Few spatters
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[*] posted on 15-8-2014 at 17:36


Can you give me an example of a food grade gloves?
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[*] posted on 15-8-2014 at 18:31


Quote: Originally posted by ganger631  
Can you give me an example of a food grade gloves?

The ones you buy at the supermarket for preparing food...
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[*] posted on 15-8-2014 at 19:23


they will be fine with a few spatters.



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[*] posted on 16-8-2014 at 13:42


Do you think my Samsung Galaxy S3 can handle being placed in a vacuum dessicator, so I can demonstrate air pressure with the phone's barometer app? The screen can't crack and the phone should be able to remain powered on for the duration of the demo.



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[*] posted on 21-8-2014 at 02:56


Is there some machine that can find the triple point(s) of an unknown pure substance automatically? Or is there a standard methodology for finding triple points which is independent of the substance's identity?
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[*] posted on 21-8-2014 at 15:30
Acetylene tetrabromide ?


I'm sure this is a misprint. Ethylene terabromide or perbromide perhaps , or else Acetylene dibromide or perbromide.
wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/3/erg-gmu/erg/guidepage.aspx/guide159/id1668/mnid1807

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[*] posted on 22-8-2014 at 03:09


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  
I'm sure this is a misprint. Ethylene terabromide or perbromide perhaps , or else Acetylene dibromide or perbromide.
wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/3/erg-gmu/erg/guidepage.aspx/guide159/id1668/mnid1807

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Acethylen tetrabromide...

Old chemical names/technical names looks a bit like alchemistry names and are sometimes misleading.
-You can have the addition product
CH2=CH2 + Br2 --> Br-CH2-CH2-Br (ethylene dibromide = 1,2-dibrom-ethane)
H-C#C-H + 2 Br2 --> Br2CH-CHBr2 (acethylene tetrabromide = 1,1,2,2-tetrabrom-ethane) (*)
-You can have the substitution product
Br2C=CBr2 (ethylene tetrabromide / perbrom-ethylene)
Br-C#C-Br (acethylene dibromide)

(*) I have some litters of that superheavy solvent (almost feels like mercury ;) ), I got those for 1€/L




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[*] posted on 22-8-2014 at 20:46


Just a quick question... I was cleaning glassware with manganese dioxide stains on glassware with dilute hydrogen peroxide and 3-4 drops of conc. sulphuric acid. One of the pipettes i was cleaning had a small amount (like a grain of sand or less) of potassium permanganate which formed some bubbles which i presume was oxygen when it came into contact with the cleaning mix. However, there was a slight sulphurous odour, almost eggy (almost like Sulphur dioxide), but not rancid and did not smell like rotten eggs. I guess it was kind of like the smell of sulphuric acid (sort of sulphurous). Is there any chance i accidentally produced hydrogen sulphide? If so, should i be concerned? I had less than five minutes exposure, only smelt it once or twice and i used small amounts of chemicals (~20-50 ml of 3% hydrogen peroxide , ~50 ml of distilled water and >0.5 ml of conc. Sulphuric acid)
I don't think so but i just wanted to be sure.


EDIT: I don't know why I'm such a hypochondriac once I've been in the lab... I looked up the equation and forgot thats how you titrate hydrogen peroxide.
2 KMnO4 + 3 H2SO4 + 5H2O2 = 2 MnSO4 + K2SO4 + 5O2 + 8H2O

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[*] posted on 22-8-2014 at 20:54


From the description, it doesn't sound like hydrogen sulfide. If you had produced it, it would definitely smell of rotten eggs. I have produced it in small amounts a few times, once on purpose and a couple times on accident, and the smell is quite potent even at low concentrations. As long as you get away from it quickly and breath some fresh air, you're just fine. Even if you did produce hydrogen sulfide, if you didn't stick your nose right in it, there shouldn't be a problem.

Edit: Ah, I see you answered your own question before I could reply.

[Edited on 8-23-2014 by zts16]




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[*] posted on 22-8-2014 at 22:14


Thanks.
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[*] posted on 23-8-2014 at 05:17


well, better to err on the side of caution than to totally disregard something potentially hazzardous
(within reason of course) :D
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[*] posted on 23-8-2014 at 08:55


...when using Oxone in many of its applications, I've often wondered, when they say x amount of oxone, do they mean the oxone as it comes with the two other salts, since the active ingredient is only 48% of the whole, or do they mean of the active ingredient ....it's confusing. some clarification please....solo



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[*] posted on 23-8-2014 at 14:31


Quote: Originally posted by arkoma  
Electrolysis with Cu anode, lead cathode in a split cell. NaCl electrolyte. Anodic liquid has a fine light green powdered compound in it insoluble in water, vinegar, methanol, and ethyl acetate. Soluble in HCl. What the hell is it? I've got the chloride crystallizing ATM, but stumped on the powder by-product.

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from left to right Copper Acetate, Copper Acetylsalicylate, Copper Sulfate, and my "unknown"

[Edited on 8-15-2014 by arkoma]


That's impure copper(I) chloride.




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[*] posted on 24-8-2014 at 11:45


Any cheap method of separating sodium nitrate and sodium chloride, particularly by solvent extraction?



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[*] posted on 25-8-2014 at 12:21


Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid  
Quote: Originally posted by arkoma  
Electrolysis with Cu anode, lead cathode in a split cell. NaCl electrolyte. Anodic liquid has a fine light green powdered compound in it insoluble in water, vinegar, methanol, and ethyl acetate. Soluble in HCl. What the hell is it? I've got the chloride crystallizing ATM, but stumped on the powder by-product.

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from left to right Copper Acetate, Copper Acetylsalicylate, Copper Sulfate, and my "unknown"

[Edited on 8-15-2014 by arkoma]


That's impure copper(I) chloride.

Or copper hydroxychloride Cu(OH)Cl... I have some 200g in a glass jar and it has that colour, almost unsoluble in water.
It is also refered as copper oxychloride.

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[*] posted on 25-8-2014 at 13:14


Quote: Originally posted by PHILOU Zrealone  

Or copper hydroxychloride Cu(OH)Cl... I have some 200g in a glass jar and it has that colour, almost unsoluble in water.

Wouldn't that react with vinegar, though?




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[*] posted on 26-8-2014 at 11:18


Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid  
Quote: Originally posted by PHILOU Zrealone  

Or copper hydroxychloride Cu(OH)Cl... I have some 200g in a glass jar and it has that colour, almost unsoluble in water.

Wouldn't that react with vinegar, though?

Slowly especially with the 5-10% variant...much better with 80% acetic acid. Household vinegar dissolves metallic copper but you need air (O2) contact with the copper and agitation for the acid to contact those parts and it takes weeks...actually acetic acid dissolves the hydroxy-oxy-carbonate layer of the copper ...once naked it is oxydized again and reforms an hydrated-oxyd layer ...so atomic layer by atomic layer it is dissolved.

HCl conc (30%) on Cu(OH)Cl does the job very wel...you get CuCl2.

I use Cu(OH)Cl as colourizer for green-blue flame in some pyro mixes. It is not very stable with NaClO3 based pyro compositions owing to hygroscopicity and bad interactions between Cu(2+) and ClO3(-)...so not storage advisable for long.




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[*] posted on 26-8-2014 at 11:23


Quote: Originally posted by No Tears Only Dreams Now  
Any cheap method of separating sodium nitrate and sodium chloride, particularly by solvent extraction?

You can play on the difference of solubility of both salts in water as a function of the temperature.
NaCl remains relatively constant while NaNO3 increases exponentially with T.




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[*] posted on 27-8-2014 at 01:06


Quote: Originally posted by Haber  
Quote: Originally posted by Haber  
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All of the product have now turned into a black dusty powder. Vanillin smell almost completely gone.
Even if it was 5-bromovanillic acid it shouldn't be black.
I'm very curious what has happened. Nobody who have any guess?

I've discovered that this occured because of some kind of reaction with the metal on my thermometer probe.
Would be interesting to know what kind of reaction it was, if anyone have an guess, let me know :)
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[*] posted on 4-9-2014 at 18:02


Quick question, white phosphorus won't burn in carbon dioxide right? So if one wanted to convert white phosphorus(I don't have any currently but am thinking of trying to make some using the current method in the phosphorus sticky thread) to red phosphorus, a flask could be charged with some white phosphorus, flushed with CO2, and heated to convert to red phosphorus without ignition of the phosphorus occurring? If not, what is the best way to convert white phosphorus to red phosphorus?
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Quote: Originally posted by gdflp  
Quick question, white phosphorus won't burn in carbon dioxide right? So if one wanted to convert white phosphorus(I don't have any currently but am thinking of trying to make some using the current method in the phosphorus sticky thread) to red phosphorus, a flask could be charged with some white phosphorus, flushed with CO2, and heated to convert to red phosphorus without ignition of the phosphorus occurring? If not, what is the best way to convert white phosphorus to red phosphorus?

Place in flask with 0.5% wt. I2, flush with CO2 or other inert gas, and heat for 24 hours.
At least, that was what was told to me - I've never had the chance to try it, never having had any phosphorus to speak of.




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[*] posted on 6-9-2014 at 14:58


Is it possible to reduce 3 nitrobenzoic acid to 3 aminobenzoic acid using the Fe/HCl method?
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[*] posted on 6-9-2014 at 16:30


It should work fine.



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