Thanatops1s
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I have officially quit organic peroxides
I set off 3g of ETN tonight initiated by .3g HMTD. No issues, but I decided that I'm done with organic peroxides. I've had my fun and am capable of
making safer things. I figure there's no sense in pushing my luck since I always cleaned well and did my best to ensure stability, I've read too many
horror stories. I want to go way out in the middle of nowhere any do a big detonation someday, but for now, I think I'm almost done with energetics
and want to just concentrate on other aspects of chemistry.
I will never understand why I hear from so many people "I hate/hated chemistry in school".
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plante1999
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I don't think it is the right sub-forum to post this...
I never asked for this.
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Fantasma4500
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why people hate chemistry? because chemistry is logical, and the society we live in is against logic, asking questions, reaching agreement and
understanding (:
i would partially love to explain to you how you could use something much safer than primaries but it wouldnt be first time for a person to turn their
back on it, also youre quitting HE..
why are you quitting HE tho..? just got grey and boring?
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Dany
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High explosive and energetic materials are like heroin to your brain...once you enter the businesses it is almost impossible to quit. When you become
deeply addicted to high explosive you will become obsessed with reading articles, books and so on. You will begin to loose your friend and your social
life... so don't worry Antiswat, Thanatops1s will come back soon to the field of HE!
Dany.
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CaliusOptimus
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Cool story bro.
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Well if the school systems are anything like the ones here in Canada it is no wonder many young people (especially young males) hate chemistry. Every
year when I went through high school, and that was a while ago now, a few chemicals were removed from the chemistry labs. Every year there were
greater and greater restrictions on what teachers were allowed to do in the lab with the students. This was all in the name of safety of course. This
was a couple decades ago and I was told that it was gradual erosion that had been taking place for years before I went through. I know several courses
that had labs previously didn't at the time I went through. I wonder if they even do labs at the local high school anymore. I can't imagine that they
are allowed to use much more than food coloring and water at this point. There needs to be a little fire, or explosion, or smells, colors etc in order
to capture the imagination and gain interest in the subject material. Some will study anyway no matter how dry and lifeless the theory, but for many
(especially boys) it is dry and uninteresting and they simply unplug. BTW, I hated my high school chemistry classes.
"A risk-free world is a very dull world, one from which we are apt to learn little of consequence." -Geerat Vermeij
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plante1999
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I am currently at school in Canada, and there is NO chemistry. The most dangerous we did was baking soda + vinegar, and we had gloves, lab coat,
goggles AND were under the hood, in case of CO2 "poisoning".
I never asked for this.
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Quote: Originally posted by plante1999  | | I am currently at school in Canada, and there is NO chemistry. The most dangerous we did was baking soda + vinegar, and we had gloves, lab coat,
goggles AND were under the hood, in case of CO2 "poisoning". |
Who the hell is making these restrictions? I wonder if it's a part of the NWO...
Rest In Pieces!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Adas | | Quote: Originally posted by plante1999 | | I am currently at school in Canada, and there is NO chemistry. The most dangerous we did was baking soda + vinegar, and we had gloves, lab coat,
goggles AND were under the hood, in case of CO2 "poisoning". |
Who the hell is making these restrictions? I wonder if it's a part of the NWO... |
You better be kidding about that NWO part.
Anyway, a lot of it may be attributable to budget cuts rather than liability issues. It doesn't get much cheaper than vinegar & baking soda, and
the waste can go down the drain. In addition, high school chemistry classes typically only get about 8 hours total for lab time over an entire school
year. I went to an insanely good public school, and probably the coolest lab we did was metal exchange with copper sulfate and aluminum foil and
measuring the temperature and mass changes.
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I might be able to offer an answer on the school chemistry safety thing: When i was at school in the UK 30 years ago ( one score and ten in American),
back in the time when explosives n' stuff were PC; our chem. teacher handed around a bottle of Benzene for everyone to have a sniff and then told us
it had just been declared a carcinogen so he had to lock it away. We had copper ink wells so one of the kids "borrowed", a bottle of conc. nitric and
loaded the inkwells everyone had to sit still (coughing) because you had to in those days (sit still that is. Coughing and breathing were optional).
Then me; well in deciding what to use for colored puffs of smoke for Aladin the school play I decided against the perchlorates and organic nitrates
and settled on Ammonium Nitrate with Aluminum powder as a neutral base. Then there was good reason to take out this boys lunch. So we loaded his
banana sandwiches with 2 ounces of the stuff wrapped in duct tape with a long 30Amp electrical lead and a length of thin copper wire as the detonator.
Got everyone out of the class room, stuck an open book on top to cushion the explosion. A few kids who looked through the classroom windows couldn't
see for a few mins due to the blinding flash from the magnesium powder I put in as an enhancer around the 'fuse' to ensure detonation. Those were the
days. Ahhhh!
Funny thing when I told some American friends this story from my school days over dinner they claimed explosives have never been PC !?!? ...I wonder
if it is the same in Canada?
Thinking may be my Al/AN package may have deflagrated rather than exploded as it pureed(great cooking tip) the banana sandwich on the desk and in
little stalactites on the ceiling, disassembled the French book into pages (intact) that floated down around the classroom. The desk was not damaged,
there was a fine dust over everywhere (I guess I got the mix wrong; Molar equations were never my strong suit). The kids outside the classroom were
deaf for a short time with ringing in their years so may be it was a true detonation?
There were changes to chemical storage and safety protocols. :-) ...but on a positive note I heard a few years ago that the kids were STILL
remembering "banana day" when this kid blew up banana sandwiches.
This brings me to my question what are the options to detonate a secondary without a primary? Which secondaries would detonate using my crude hot
wire detonator? Not too keen on perchlorates - bit scary!
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Fantasma4500
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i know that this whole conspiracy thing is splitting all in halves, but really.. it could be, trying to explain why they might want to fuck up
chemistry, not trying to drown this thread in politics..
if the public is scared of what they inhale and exhale, then they would never go as far as handling explosive components in a time of chaos
its about creating a mentality, you see..
i'd say it might be somewhat legit
but damn, i have it sometimes at chemistry in school that im considering to go home and get some more reactive stuff, toluene is not allowed anymore
because its carcinogenic, but lets all face it.. nobody lives forever, and when theres so many more toxic things floating about in our air (no im not
even gonna go anywhere near conspiracy or politics in this) then i .. i mean..
''CO2 "poisoning". ''
do i even need to say anymore??
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oh no the dreaded CO2 ! thats almost as lame as my last school science experiment. we observed a drop of water evaporate (yeah my school's experiments
suck)
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