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[*] posted on 22-7-2015 at 12:51


Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quote: Originally posted by IrC  


On topic you just have to love stories like this:

http://www.infowars.com/global-warming-expedition-foiled-by-...


Alex Jones, dear? I leave that to franklyn. His cup of tea, totally. Don't forget to take Jones' super male vitality pills!


You cannot discount the story based upon your opinion of Alex and claim to be honest and fair while failing to study the links in the story which come from the Canadian government. This subterfuge you work is typical of the left. Dishonesty and refusal to give fair logical consideration to the actual facts is the MO your kind loves but it destroys all credibility you may believe you have. So does your never ending treatment of members with utter contempt, as with your use of 'dear' (which by the way you can shove). Your nonstop insulting members and contemptible treatment of others strips any possible usefulness as it pertains to any science you may engage in since no amount of knowledge can cover such a completely empty soul which amounts to being less than nothing.




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[*] posted on 22-7-2015 at 12:52


bloggie:

Actually I do my own work because I don't trust the certified mechanics to charge a fair price.

Now you really didn't deserve that answer because I know you are just trying to lash out, no matter how poorly executed, but I thought you should know.

And I'm not even close to suspicious of AGW, I know they are absolutely full of shit. So do they, that's why they were caught discussing how best to perpetuate the lie.

Answer me this: Why are the qualified climate scientists that want nothing to do with the global warming crowd dismissed as crackpots? Oh, that's right, the global warming crowd (and Lindsay Graham) said the science is settled. Anyone who disagrees is supposed to be called a name, just like those who don't embrace homosexuality as "special" are called names.


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[*] posted on 22-7-2015 at 12:52


Quote: Originally posted by MrHomeScientist  

Please restrict all postings in this thread and related ones to Whimsy, IMO.


Motion seconded! As suggested higher up. Only a mod can move it now, though...

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[*] posted on 30-7-2015 at 11:32


The other day I heard some interesting discussion on NPR about the latest observation of warming in the North pole and cooling in Antarctica based on a 65,000 years of temperature history taken from a very long ice core sample!

Apparently, the scientist says that one must envision a flexible seasaw relating to complex ocean temperature transmission between the poles via ocean currents that sink on the way down from the north. The expected lag between rises in one pole being observed in the other pole is said to approach 200 years based on history, so in the interm cooling could be observed in the opposite pole.

My take on the bottom line important to survival, extreme weather events in the northern hemisphere due to rising ocean temperatures may not be manifested at the other end of the globe for a long time! Given the apparent 100+ year lag, the wise should quietly relocate to land masses near the opposite pole with average drop in temperature being witness.

With respect to the debate on global temperature change, this finding, in my opinion, is not kind to either side. It seems to me, given the underlying global dynamics on ocean temperature transmission rate, that one should be using a rolling 200 year average of points symmetrically chosen around the globe on ocean temperature (which likely does not exist). Otherwise, you just talking about short term local weather effects.

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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 05:22


At Last the Data Exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyH-b3FRvE

Tim Ball on Corruption of Climate Science
http://youtu.be/Owm25OHGglk?t=4m24s

IPCC exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruTqY_JLcg&t=26s

Ivar Giaever on Global Warming Religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&t=30s

Freeman Dyson on the Global Warming Hysteria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiKfWdXXfIs&t=3m6s

David Bellamy denounces climate change fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuYEJTtbG94&t=1m48s
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nndlt_david-bellamy-bbc-a...


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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 07:10


Here’s the self-proclaimed expert, tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist and general nutjob ‘franklyn’ with enthusiastic support for the Pakistani water car, a scam so pernicious and damaging for Pakistan’s scientific reputation that it caused serious ripples in that country’s Government:

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  

You can't argue with success
http://screen.yahoo.com/pakistani-water-kit-fuel-vehicle-144...

At the very bottom here I venture a guess at how this might work
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=11102#pid134955[/size]


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  

I cited the video in the first post of this thread knowing nothing more about it than what it shows. Anytime someone can show a running prototype that's something worth looking at because it can be tested. That's how science works by the way , by experiment. I have since read that the engine in part combusts 2H2 + O2 from an 2H2O electrolyser powered by the alternator. I had invented that myself when I was 11 years old ( or perhaps re-invented it ). I enthusiastically proceded to the engineering library to meta reasearch the technical aspects ( that's what one did back then, the only people that had on line services was NORAD). I soon discovered the best one could expect is such a scheme could only make perhaps a 1/4 of what is consumed.
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@ blogfast25
Who are you quoting here by the way => " Science doesn't just ' work by experiment '."
To human knowledge Science only works because of experiment.

" Here your hero is building a machine that is supposed to violate conservation of energy. We know that doesn't work. No need to test such a machine."
— Your attribution confirms your conclusion no need to look through the telescope since it doesn't confirm what we ' know ' as Galileo heard it.

" HHO scam machines have been independently empirically tested and found indeed completely wanting."
— Citation needed, how is " HHO machine " related to the Agha Waqar device.



Yes, HOW indeed is the HHO scam related to Waqar’s whacky car? ROFLOL! Waqar also stated that the laws of thermodynamics did not apply to his invention! That’s kind of true since as his ‘invention’ was a scam from start to finish.

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  
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Back at you ' Sigh '

I can only reiterate what I said previously ,
One has to wonder , if it's no good , then so what , who cares , why are so many putting forth so much effort to convince everyone if that's what it is.
This seeming umbrage and vendetta against what is for now just an eccentric curiosity, which much to their delight is certainly to be bogus.
This is anti - intellectualism of the highest order , the incessant pillorying of the topic so that it be put into detritus is the self evident proof of this.



Having dug a deep hole for himself, our resident nutzie doesn’t mind digging a little deeper:

Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  
Who has been scammed ? Only someone who buys a kit, is dissatisfied and does not receive a full and courteous refund would legitimately qualify. Where is the clamor of all those alleged to have been cheated.

While this is only an endorsing anecdotal testimonial on a similar device it begs the question what's the beef ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYMduU0yww8



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‘Where’s the beef?’ ‘Where’s the clamor?’

Answer: on the Pakistani side of the Tinkerwebs, you FOOL. Where you forgot to look but I didn’t (see the end of that thread).

So here we have it. Franklyn endorses a lone and quite vicious scammer whose claims anyone with a basic understanding of the conservation of energy can see right through, yet claims to have sufficient understanding to condemn the work of thousands of ACC scientists as a ‘hoax’, on a scale that would make the (non-existent) “9/11 conspiracy” blush...




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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 07:35


Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
the Agha Waqar device

Is it possible that i made all that up and posted it when very drunk indeed, and have since forgotten ?

Sounds dangerously close to "the Aga WaterCar device".




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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 10:16


Blogfast25 has an inability to accept facts and truth , clinging to imaginary projections that I for one have every confidence may never be realized. But I can't claim to be sure. Where normal persons can disagree with your views , this intellectually self accredited brain stem will proclaim disapproval of them , obsessively and compulsively footnoting nearly every post of mine to tell you so. Even though knowledge of the future is beyond human ability Blogfast25 is absolutely sure. Which constitutes self confirmation of an inability to accept facts and truth , and a notably pronounced inability to keep from wandering off a thread topic.





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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 13:22


There isn't any actual Science going on in this thread.

My opinion is that the effect of the naturally occuring species, humans included, have very little effect on what the Planet as whole does anyway, and certainly cannot divert that process.

I cite the discovery of a succession of Ice Ages, interspersed with warmer periods such as this past millenium.

'Climate Science' is a bit vague and not really capable of being actual Science IMHO, as it simply has not been studied for long enough to have sufficient data.

In summary, All arguments about the Global Climate are worthless, as they are groundless, given that there is no accurate Global Climate Data covering the past 100,000 years to be analysed, and no significant modulation of the output of human-produced products in isolation from non-human products.

So far, all we know is that it gets cold enough to form ice, and then hot enough to melt it in cycles of hot/cold spanning 1000s of years each cycle.

Add in a stray asteroid or enormous volcanic eruption, and even those assumptions float out of the window.

Basically, we know very little so far, so i'm more with Bellamy on this one, in that i do not accept that there is any significant actual Scientific data to be relied upon to make a definitive statement.


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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 14:30


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  
Blogfast25 has an inability to accept facts and truth , clinging to imaginary projections that I for one have every confidence may never be realized. But I can't claim to be sure. Where normal persons can disagree with your views , this intellectually self accredited brain stem will proclaim disapproval of them , obsessively and compulsively footnoting nearly every post of mine to tell you so. Even though knowledge of the future is beyond human ability Blogfast25 is absolutely sure. Which constitutes self confirmation of an inability to accept facts and truth , and a notably pronounced inability to keep from wandering off a thread topic.



Says a nutcase who doesn't accept the laws of thermodynamics.

Knowledge of the future is not completely beyond human ability. Of course if you want to bet that water cars like Waqar's will one day be possible you're betting on the slimmest of odds, that seems to be your thing.

As regards 'obsessive compulsive', who here keeps on link spamming almost random links, in the full knowledge that anyone else could do that too, of course (is that what you want because I could easily oblige, you know?). You've made your point, maybe it's time to give it a rest.

I do NOT claim certainty re. ACC, nor do the scientists themselves. It's YOU who claims to KNOW for CERTAIN the science is a hoax. This has already been dealt with higher up.

You remain almost universally despised on this forum. Bweurk!!!


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[*] posted on 10-8-2015 at 14:37


Quote: Originally posted by aga  


'Climate Science' is a bit vague and not really capable of being actual Science IMHO, as it simply has not been studied for long enough to have sufficient data.



You make this argument each time you don't understand something. See also GMO. At one point also QM. Who are you to judge whether something has been studied for long enough? You're also in NO position to judge what constitutes 'actual science'.

The argument that 'it's not been researched enough' has been used historically against anything from vaccinations to electric pylons, BTW...

You're entitled to your opinion but if I have to choose between your kind of fluff and decades long of thorough research I know the choice is real easy to make.:D

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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 00:52


The origin of the shibboleth " the consensus of 97 % of ' Climate Scientists ' "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyH-b3FRvE&t=1h7m5s , watch for 4 minutes
claimed ' consensus ' 75 / 77 = 97.4 % , the actual ' consensus ' 75 / 3146 = 2.4 %

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pruTqY_JLcg&t=5m59s , watch for 4 1/2 minutes

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/about-that-overwhelmin...

Figures don't lie but liars will figure


On the other side —
Because surveys refuting ' consensus ' are acrimoniously vilified we can be confident they're good and valid
http://www.heartland.org/policy-documents/you-call-consensus , See also (12) & (13) here near the bottom

Related post
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=860&am...
Further reading
http://godfatherpolitics.com/15535/obama-gores-global-warmin...

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Is Donald Trump’s campaign making a mockery of the political process or is it exposing the mockery that the political process has become ? Middle Americans from the heartland are looking past his utter lack of decorum and political correctness to validate and endorse his outrage. The more he's hated the more they love him. Not playing the usual political games , unintimidated and outspoken he's very appealing to people who feel like they lack power or a voice. People get a vicarious thrill out of seeing somebody speak truth to power and they get this in spades with Donald Trump a staunch skeptic of the global warming agenda. Righteous indignation is something the establishment does not know what to do about. This time the establishment may just crash and burn.


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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 01:55


Quote:
April 22, 1970 , the first Earth Day coincides with the centennial birthday of Vladimir Ilich Lenin. It could have been on April 20 , but that was Adolph Hitler's Birthday.

Typical 'RWNJ conspiracy obsessive' misspelling both their names . . .

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LOL, you leftie freaks are a hoot.

Instead of questioning the obvious (where is there any evidence that Ulyanov's birthday has anything to do with the scheduling), you use the leftie playbook guideline "if you are uncomfortable with any published account, look for spelling, grammatical, or other flaws you can use to discount that which inflames your sensibilities".

But here's the deal: Who the fuck cares if Franklyn misspelled not one but both names? Were you unable to immediately make the connection, did the misspelling throw you for a loop? Did it take you hours and hours of research to finally decipher who he was talking about?

I understand Franklyn is really not capable of making a solid case that will cause you or any other climate lie worshipper to rethink their position, but that's not Franklyn's fault, nor the fault of the linked materials. The problem lies in your utter and complete NEED to embrace climate change as a religion.

You've been given instructions to ridicule and humiliate anyone or any group daring to oppose the view you've taken to heart, we understand that, and we feel really bad for you. It must be hell being lead around by the nose by people who not only lie to you, but collude in order to perpetuate the lie.

Your first clue should have been the fact that Al Gore's "hockey stick graph" was the original lie, and in fact the genesis of this entire religion of yours. In case you missed it, the "perfect alignment" of CO2 and temperature had to be skewed by 800 years or so to achieve that "perfect" alignment.

Your second clue really should have been "settled science". Settled by whom? Well, for people like you, "whom" is irrelevant because, well...it's SETTLED! LOL

Your third clue should have been the "climate scientists" who are spinning this tale for your consumption declaring any scientist not agreeing with their fabricated findings should be kicked out of research positions and/or being subject to revocation of their credentials.

Your high priests are actively seeking, each and every day, to keep you bowing at the altar of climate change.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 06:20


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April 22, 1970 , the first Earth Day coincides with the centennial birthday of Vladimir Ilich Lenin. It could have been on April 20 , but that was Adolph Hitler's Birthday. http://cei.org/blog/earth-day-lenins-birthday-coincidence . The counterculture then commenced it's agenda that perniciously persists to this day. Shape changing to suit the prevailing call to action to stave off imaginary ills never to be realized. Sound familiar — http://www.freedomworks.org/content/13-worst-predictions-mad...

Is Donald Trump’s campaign making a mockery of the political process or is it exposing the mockery that the political process has become ? Middle Americans from the heartland are looking past his utter lack of decorum and political correctness to validate and endorse his outrage.


Look, I confess, OK? Climate change theory IS a Cultural Marxist coup, designed to bring America the Beautiful to its knees economically and replace Capitalism with Maoism/Stalinism/Islamism. So far Communist in Chief, aka The Ayatollah of Washington, Supreme Leader Hussein Obama, has been doing an excellent job, so keep it up, Dear Leader! Let a trillion flowers bloom!

/satire off.

You're a right wing nut job of a particular variety. BTW, always avoid using the number "18" because it stands for 'Adolf Hitler'! Well known, that! :D

As regards 'Yoooooge Donald', all I can say is 'Trump for the Republican nomination!'. Yes, PLEASE! If that fails, let him run as an independent. You do realise what both outcomes would signify, right franklyn?

@Varmint:

Has it ever, ever occurred to you that those who oppose the notion of man made climate change might actually be those who believe they stand much to lose from reducing fossil fuel consumption? You know, like Big Oil? Do you see many in e.g. Texas that entertain the notion of ACC? Ask yourself why, maybe? Or why there's such an extraordinary amount of resistance to ACC theory in the USA (compared to most of the West), a veritable fuel guzzler of a country?


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No Bloggie, that hasn't occurred to me. What has occurred to me is that no small number of those who want to believe in the junk science religion of global warming have an ass on for the United States, and tend to discount the former glory of their homeland as "an illusion".

I also attribute the greater number of "deniers" in the US as an unexpected yet gratifying sign of superior intelligence. Now it might be a stretch to equate simply understanding liars getting caught colluding on perpetuating the big lie as intelligence, but the rest of you leave us no choice. You KNOW they were caught, yet you still treat it as an aberration, a minor upset?

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Quote: Originally posted by Varmint  

I also attribute the greater number of "deniers" in the US as an unexpected yet gratifying sign of superior intelligence.


Varmint, it should go without saying that "The Greatest Nation on Earth (TM)" should exhibit superior intelligence, especially the White and apple pie bit, of course.

Silly me for not seeing that. Sorry.

\satire off

You and franklyn make a nice pair of clowns, that's for sure! How... erm, gratifying! :D

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As expected Bloggie, no justification for continuing to believe the lies, just shout down the messenger.

Your high priests will be happy to learn your programming has been a smashing success.

Seriously bub, you are wasting your time. You might do better to lay in wait for an unsuspecting poster to jump on, you've demonstrated that to be something of a life's mission.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 07:40


Varmint, your particular form of supremacism as a basis for your denial is one of the funniest things I've come across this month at least. It's been filed for future reference. Thank you.:D



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Welcome Bloggie!
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 08:52


*sigh* We need a new bfesser. This thread has gotten filled up with garbage ever since he left.



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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 09:02


I did some Science today, and the temperature here is 1.4 C higher today at this time of day (same apparatus, location and temporal datum point used in all 2 measurements) conclusively proving that the planet is warming up.

By extrapolation of this vast body of data, it will be 2.8 C higher tomorrow, and we will all be dead by a week on Thursday.

Measurements are ongoing. More tomorrow.

Christ, this Climate Science is scary.




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Quote: Originally posted by aga  
I did some Science today, and the temperature here is 1.4 C higher today at this time of day (same apparatus, location and temporal datum point used in all 2 measurements) conclusively proving that the planet is warming up.

By extrapolation of this vast body of data, it will be 2.8 C higher tomorrow, and we will all be dead by a week on Thursday.

Measurements are ongoing. More tomorrow.

Christ, this Climate Science is scary.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 09:08
Yeah don't you wish


Quote: Originally posted by zts16  
*sigh* We need a new bfesser. This thread has gotten filled up with garbage ever since he left.


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Quote: Originally posted by aga  

Christ, this Climate Science is scary.


Not really but that joke isn't very funny either.:(




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