Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: silver thermite
bismuthate
National Hazard
****




Posts: 803
Registered: 28-9-2013
Location: the island of stability
Member Is Offline

Mood: self reacting

[*] posted on 29-9-2013 at 17:11
silver thermite


Has anyone here used a silver oxide/Al mixture. i can guess that it is highly sensitive, so i would like to know more aboutt it before i make it.



I'm not a liar, I'm just an enthusiastic celebrant of opposite day.
I post pictures of chemistry on instagram as bismuthate. http://iconosquare.com/bismuthate
or this viewer if you don't have an instagram (it sucks though) http://web.stagram.com/n/bismuthate
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
violet sin
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1475
Registered: 2-9-2012
Location: Daydreaming of uraninite...
Member Is Offline

Mood: Good

[*] posted on 29-9-2013 at 18:28


not to be a jerk... but try a little harder please.
googled: aluminum silver thermite
http://www.amazingrust.com/Experiments/how_to/Thermite.html

this came up as the first answer. took almost no effort at all. so don't take this as angry attack but a tip for the future.
common practice here might be to
1) make an appropriate title. seeing as how you are posing a question and have no info maybe put in a more descriptive heading "any one have experience with XXXX?"
2) try to come up with more than a one line question. in a clear concise manner a) here is what I have done.b) this is what I hope to accomplish,c) I have been reading these XXX, YYY, ZZZ, and it got me to thinking WWWW.d) does any one have any input?
maybe even throw a few equations or reactions up for clarity.
3) sign off perhaps with a direction you intend the info to lead.

that would be a fair investment of your time to persuade others to even bother chiming in. members such as I, like to read up on many things others do, and don't mind doing a little poking around if it is interesting. fun to learn things I wasn't into or knew about earlier.

start with the link I found and maybe post some interesting links you find with a little more effort. I would be glad to read up more on silver.
-Violet Sin-
View user's profile View All Posts By User
AndersHoveland
Hazard to Other Members, due to repeated speculation and posting of untested highly dangerous procedures!
*****




Posts: 1986
Registered: 2-3-2011
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 29-9-2013 at 18:29


Quote: Originally posted by bismuthate  
i can guess that it is highly sensitive

i would not think that it would be, though probably easier to ignite than regular thermite

waste of money, just use CuO
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
violet sin
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1475
Registered: 2-9-2012
Location: Daydreaming of uraninite...
Member Is Offline

Mood: Good

[*] posted on 29-9-2013 at 18:38


from my link above, a few for comparison:
http://www.amazingrust.com/Experiments/how_to/Thermite.html#...
Fe3O4/Al (-3.677 kJ/g)
Fe2O3/Al (-3.985 kJ/g)
CuO/Al (-4.584 kJ/g)
Cu2/Al (-2.421 kJ/g)
Ag2O/Al (-2.11 kJ/g)
View user's profile View All Posts By User
bismuthate
National Hazard
****




Posts: 803
Registered: 28-9-2013
Location: the island of stability
Member Is Offline

Mood: self reacting

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 03:15


ii did not meen to offend, i have already researched it but i wanted practical advice from people who have dealt with it. it only plan to make a gram of it to satisfy my curiosity.



I'm not a liar, I'm just an enthusiastic celebrant of opposite day.
I post pictures of chemistry on instagram as bismuthate. http://iconosquare.com/bismuthate
or this viewer if you don't have an instagram (it sucks though) http://web.stagram.com/n/bismuthate
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Dany
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 482
Registered: 3-8-2013
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 03:29


This is a study published in combustion and flame journal. It deal with a thermite mixture of nano Ag2O and nano Al.

Dany.

Attachment: Synthesis and reactivity of nano-Ag2O as an oxidizer for energetic systems yielding antimicrobial products.pdf (1015kB)
This file has been downloaded 733 times

View user's profile View All Posts By User
bismuthate
National Hazard
****




Posts: 803
Registered: 28-9-2013
Location: the island of stability
Member Is Offline

Mood: self reacting

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 03:58


sorry but my computer(well actual a 2007 kindle( can't accept the download (it sucks). but thanks anyway.
i am going to use the thermite in a tall walled container then treat it with HCl to get little silver nuggets.




I'm not a liar, I'm just an enthusiastic celebrant of opposite day.
I post pictures of chemistry on instagram as bismuthate. http://iconosquare.com/bismuthate
or this viewer if you don't have an instagram (it sucks though) http://web.stagram.com/n/bismuthate
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
argyrium
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 123
Registered: 3-2-2008
Location: Pacific
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 09:03


bismuthate,

you will be very disappointed if your intent is to dissolve the Ag from the products of an aluminothermic rxn.

Use of HCl will form a tenacious layer of AgCl over anything you end up with.

What are you trying to achieve/do with this idea?

View user's profile View All Posts By User
bfesser
Resident Wikipedian
Thread Pruned
30-9-2013 at 11:06
bismuthate
National Hazard
****




Posts: 803
Registered: 28-9-2013
Location: the island of stability
Member Is Offline

Mood: self reacting

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 11:22


no. i plan to add hcl to remove th aluminum oxide and recover the silver then clean and display the shiny nuggets that i belive will form.



I'm not a liar, I'm just an enthusiastic celebrant of opposite day.
I post pictures of chemistry on instagram as bismuthate. http://iconosquare.com/bismuthate
or this viewer if you don't have an instagram (it sucks though) http://web.stagram.com/n/bismuthate
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Metacelsus
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 2531
Registered: 26-12-2012
Location: Boston, MA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Double, double, toil and trouble

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 12:13


If you want to get silver from the oxide, why not just heat it? It decomposes at 280 C, which is easily reachable with an alcohol burner or hotplate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide




As below, so above.

My blog: https://denovo.substack.com
View user's profile View All Posts By User
bismuthate
National Hazard
****




Posts: 803
Registered: 28-9-2013
Location: the island of stability
Member Is Offline

Mood: self reacting

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 12:17


i want small nuggets not powder, i already have some powder which i cant melt.



I'm not a liar, I'm just an enthusiastic celebrant of opposite day.
I post pictures of chemistry on instagram as bismuthate. http://iconosquare.com/bismuthate
or this viewer if you don't have an instagram (it sucks though) http://web.stagram.com/n/bismuthate
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
phlogiston
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 26-4-2008
Location: Neon Thorium Erbium Lanthanum Neodymium Sulphur
Member Is Offline

Mood: pyrophoric

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 13:26


You can use electrochemical means to produce shiny metal, if that is what you are after.

However, it doesn't take that much to melt silver. I got small amounts (20 grams or so) to melt with a cheap butane torch.




-----
"If a rocket goes up, who cares where it comes down, that's not my concern said Wernher von Braun" - Tom Lehrer
View user's profile View All Posts By User
bismuthate
National Hazard
****




Posts: 803
Registered: 28-9-2013
Location: the island of stability
Member Is Offline

Mood: self reacting

[*] posted on 30-9-2013 at 13:33


i"m not allowed to use o torch and i don't own one.
doesn't electrochemistriy make crystals because i want a small round piece of silver to display.




I'm not a liar, I'm just an enthusiastic celebrant of opposite day.
I post pictures of chemistry on instagram as bismuthate. http://iconosquare.com/bismuthate
or this viewer if you don't have an instagram (it sucks though) http://web.stagram.com/n/bismuthate
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User

  Go To Top