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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 07:39


Quote: Originally posted by glymes  
Oh. So 2NaNO2+2HCl+CH(Cl)2(COOH)=CH(NO2)2(COOH)+2HCl?

And magically TADAAAHHHH...
the sodium disappeared from the equation...
Glymes aka the multiple ID poster is also an alchemist magician transmuting sodium to anti-matter...

How is nitromethane done from chloroacetic acid and NaNO2?
Search for the equation and transpose to mono-substitution and disubstitution...
What could be the side products since substitution is not 100% effective? 60%-30% depending on conditions...
The other product is hydrolysable into what?

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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 07:42


Quote: Originally posted by woelen  
C3N3Cl3H3???
What is this? This cannot be an existing cyclic compound. We have C3N3Cl3 (cyanuric chloride) and C3N3Cl3O3 (TCCA) but not C3N3Cl3H3.

Because if you take the time to make a beautiful drawing; then take a minute to count each atom kind not to make mistakes into your équations...
Like I said many times to your other IDs:
Think twice and even more before posting aberrations.
Use the search engine!

Trinitroisocyanuric and trinitrocyanuric rings have been discussed many times.

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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 08:49
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I just finished the special theory of relativity for all the deminers. E = O . H2.
And vice versa: O . H2 = E. Respectively VoD is about 3200m/s. Without any detonator. Only hot wire. Maybe will be good a only warm wire. Short and simply. And mix worked always. Is it relatively bullshit, but is it contribution. https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/3730...
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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 12:35


One quick question: I want to try the synthesis of guanidine perchlorate using ammonium perchlorate instead of perchloric acid.

NH2C(=NH)NH2 · ½H2CO3 + NH4ClO4 -> NH2C(=NH)NH2ClO4 + NH3 + CO2 + H2O

At high temperatures (>80ºC) in water solution NH3 and CO2 will leave the system, shifting the reaction to the right. Is this correct? Synthesis of HClO4 is not very amateur-friendly and I want to avoid it.
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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 02:39


Thanks for that H2/O2 paper Liptakov! It confirms that my BKW implementation (calibrated for solid/liquid explosives!) works exceptionally well for gaseous mixtures too!
The graph is from that report above; the red dots are my calculated values.
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Quote: Originally posted by kratomiter  
One quick question: I want to try the synthesis of guanidine perchlorate using ammonium perchlorate instead of perchloric acid.

NH2C(=NH)NH2 · ½H2CO3 + NH4ClO4 -> NH2C(=NH)NH2ClO4 + NH3 + CO2 + H2O

At high temperatures (>80ºC) in water solution NH3 and CO2 will leave the system, shifting the reaction to the right. Is this correct? Synthesis of HClO4 is not very amateur-friendly and I want to avoid it.

Should work since guanidine is a stronger base than NH3 and HClO4 a stronger acid than H2CO3.
Then:
(H2N-)2C=NH.H2CO3 + NH4ClO4 <--==> (H2N-)2C=NH.HClO4 + NH4HCO3
NH4HCO3 -heat-> NH3 + CO2 + H2O

Maybe to avoid suffocating allow the fumes to pass over agitated saturated CuSO4 solution...it will catch the H2O, the CO2 and the NH3
CuSO4(aq) + 4 NH3 (g) --> Cu(NH3)4SO4(aq)
CuSO4 + H2CO3 --> CuCO3(s) + H2SO4
NH3 + H2SO4 --> NH4HSO4
NH4HSO4 + NH3 --> (NH4)2SO4

Alternatively you may use CaCl2
CaCl2 + NH3(g) --> CaCl2.x NH3
CaCl2 + H2CO3 --> CaCO3(s) + 2 HCl
HCl + NH3 --> NH4Cl

Do not allow the tube to go into the CuSO4 or CaCl2 solution or it will be sucked up because NH3 has a big affinity for H2O and for the complex --> this would cause a depression and CuSO4 or CaCl2 solution would pass into the initial reactor.

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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 06:02
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Well! The theory of water confirmed. Velocity of detonation is even bigger , than I'm waiting. Your counting system is working precise. Good picture insert points, Dorni. Short question: How is highest VoD for H2+ 02? Graph is not ended upstairs. I'm estimate, that is it interesting question for all. Thanks..:cool:....LL
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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 07:15


What explosive are you talking about? Minemanit? Glycolex?
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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 07:58


Good question indeed Liptakov.
I ran these calculations for a gas mixture at 1.03 bar and 298 K.

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Highest detonation velocity: 3725 m/s 90.7% H2, 9.3% O2 Highest detonation temperature: 3457 K 67.2% H2, 32.8% O2 Highest detonation pressure: 18.9 bar 69.1% H2, 30.9% O2

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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 08:32
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Huuh.. Thanks for everybody. Highest press only 19 Bars? However if is full for example room, good pressure.
Next, glymes: Minemanit is EM, inventor MineMan. Glycolite (not glycolex) is EM, inventor Dr. Liptakov...:cool:...looking on YT.
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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 09:12


Ah. Minemanit looks pretty good...
I'll U2U you one of my ideas.
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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 09:39


Quote: Originally posted by glymes  
True or false?

And by the same token trichloroacetic acid + nitric acid = trinitroacetic acid?

The above would be better because it would give a higher oxygen percentage, allowing for more explosive, more dense transition metal salts.

[Edited on 16-5-2016 by glymes]

So because Glymes (alias octonitrocubane, A nitrogen rich explosive, Eosin Y, Eosin Y again) doesn't do his homeworks.
He wrote:
1)Cl2C-CO2H -HNO3-> (O2N-)2C-CO2H
2)dichloroacetic acid + nitric acid --> dinitroacetic acid
3)C2H2Cl2O2 + 2 HNO3 --> C2H2N2O4
4)C2H2N2O4 + 2KOH --> KC2H2N2O4

But this is all wrong!
1°) dichloroacetic acid is Cl2CH-CO2H (to respect tetravalence of C)
2°) HNO3 will more likely attack the CH from Cl2CH- and as explained earlier will form Cl2C(NO2)-CO2H; this carboxylic acid holding strong electron withdrawing groups (EWG) will easily decarboxylate...
This is observed:
-in the lab making of nitromethane from chloroacetic acid and NaNO2 (the transcient nitroacetic acid is destroyed),
-in pyruvic acid that easily turns into ethanal + CO2,
-in malonic acid that easily turns into acetic acid + CO2
-in easy transformation of trinitrobenzoic acid into TNB + CO2
3°) If the equation 3 was true; then dinitroacetic acid would be C2H2N2O6 (by magic power Glymes made 2 oxygen disappear!)
4°) If equation 4 was true; then magically again you involve 2 KOH into acido-basic reactions but only get one attached; the second is gone as dark matter...
C2H2N2O6 + 2KOH --> C2K2N2O6 + 2 H2O

Again writing equation is gross molecular formula increases the risk of mistakes. You should opt for semi-developped formulas.

In chemistry the matter is conserved so you must have the same number of atoms of each kind on both sides of the equation




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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 09:59


Quote: Originally posted by PHILOU Zrealone  
Quote: Originally posted by glymes  
Oh. So 2NaNO2+2HCl+CH(Cl)2(COOH)=CH(NO2)2(COOH)+2HCl?

And magically TADAAAHHHH...
the sodium disappeared from the equation...
Glymes aka the multiple ID poster is also an alchemist magician transmuting sodium to anti-matter...

How is nitromethane done from chloroacetic acid and NaNO2?
Search for the equation and transpose to mono-substitution and disubstitution...
What could be the side products since substitution is not 100% effective? 60%-30% depending on conditions...
The other product is hydrolysable into what?

[Edited on 17-5-2016 by PHILOU Zrealone]

Because Glyme aka the multiple ID poster has not done his homework:
2NaNO2+2HCl+CH(Cl)2(COOH) --> CH(NO2)2(COOH)+2HCl
1°) Use arrows instead of =
2°) Why use HCl?
In chemical equations what is on both sides can be supressed so:
2NaNO2+CH(Cl)2(COOH) --> CH(NO2)2(COOH)+2 NaCl

3°) 2 Cl-CH2-CO2H + 2 NaNO2 --> O2N-CH2-CO2H + O=N-O-CH2-CO2H + 2 NaCl
O2N-CH2-CO2H --> CH3-NO2 + CO2(g)
So
2 Cl2CH-CO2H + 2 NaNO2 --> O2N-CHCl-CO2H + O=N-O-CHCl-CO2H + 2 NaCl
then
O2N-CHCl-CO2H --> CH2Cl-NO2 + CO2(g)
O=N-O-CHCl-CO2H + H2O <==> HONO + HOCHCl-CO2H
HOCHCl-CO2H <==> HCl + O=CH-CO2H
O=CH-CO2H -oxydant like HNO2-> HO2C-CO2H
CH2Cl-NO2 + HONO --> O=N-CHCl-NO2 + H2O
then
2 CH2Cl-NO2 + 2 NaNO2 --> CH2(-NO2)2 + O=N-O-CH2-NO2 + 2 NaCl
O=N-O-CH2-NO2 + H2O --> HONO + HO-CH2-NO2
HO-CH2-NO2 <==> HONO + CH2=O
CH2=O -oxydant like HNO2-> H2CO3 --> H2O + CO2
CH2(-NO2)2 + HONO --> O=N-CH(-NO2)2 + H2O <==> HO-N=C(-NO2)2 + H2O
HO-CH2-NO2 + HONO --> HO-C(=NOH)-NO2 + H2O --> CO2 + H2O + N2
HO-N=C(-NO2)2 -more likely-> CO2 + H2O + NxOy




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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 10:23


Quote: Originally posted by PHILOU Zrealone  
Quote: Originally posted by Eosin Y again  
Some thoughts.

1) Acetic acid + tetranitromethane = trinitroacetic acid?

CH3COOH+C(NO2)4=C(NO2)3COOH+CH3NO2 (which would bubble out of solution.)

2) Ammonium chloride + trinitroacetic acid = dinitroaminoacetic acid?

NH4Cl+C(NO2)3COOH=C(NO2)2COONH3+HCl

These might be rubbish because I am just speculating.

Right! Speculative full of mistakes irrealistic dreams!

[Edited on 15-5-2016 by PHILOU Zrealone]

You of course noticed that Glyme and Eosin Y write the same kind of équations with the same kind of mistakes... do you?
Glymes wrote
1) Acetic acid + tetranitromethane = trinitroacetic acid?
CH3COOH+C(NO2)4=C(NO2)3COOH+CH3NO2 (which would bubble out of solution.)
2) Ammonium chloride + trinitroacetic acid = dinitroaminoacetic acid?
NH4Cl+C(NO2)3COOH=C(NO2)2COONH3+HCl

So here again:
1°) Don't use =, use arrows
2°) The first equation may eventually make a messy media
CH3-CO2H <==--> CH3-CO2(-) + H(+)
C(NO2)4 <==> C(NO2)3(-) + NO2(+)
By crossed recombination
CH3-CO2(-) + NO2(+) --> CH3-CO-O-N=O (mixed anhydride of acetic acid and nitrous acid)
H(+) + C(NO2)3(-) <==> HC(NO2)3
This explains that C(NO2)4 (TNM) is sometimes used as a nitration media (but this is risky and making solutions of acetic acid and TNM is potentially explosive because acetic acid is a fuel (yes 100% acetic acid burns).
3°) If your first equation was right; then CH3-NO2 would not bubble out of solution (with a bp of 101°C NM will not boil spontaneously under atmospheric pressure and at lab temperature!
4°) If your first equation was right; then it would be CO2 that would boil off solution! For the reasons invoqued in previous posts carboxylic acid with strong electron withdrawing groups decarboxylate easily...this is even more true when 2 EWG are involved and a fortiori if 3 are involved...
(O2N-)3C-CO2H ==> HC(NO2)3 + CO2(g)
5°) Your second equation is wrong and violate many laws of chemistry.
-For an obscure reason you take rid of one NO2 groups (dark matter again)
-For the same reason you take rid of one H atom NH4(+) turns into NH3 linked to a molecule
-trinitroacetic acid would make trinitromethane (+CO2); the first one would be a strong acid if it existed, the second is a strong acid but none would beat the very high acidity of HCl (see pKa tables to understand)...and HCl would thus stick to the NH3 base... --> no exchange of NH4(+) possible.




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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 10:34


Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov  
I just finished the special theory of relativity for all the deminers. E = O . H2.
And vice versa: O . H2 = E. Respectively VoD is about 3200m/s. Without any detonator. Only hot wire. Maybe will be good a only warm wire. Short and simply. And mix worked always. Is it relatively bullshit, but is it contribution. https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/3730...
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Could you elaborate a bit?
E= m*c² :D;)
you wrote E = 0*h*2

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[*] posted on 18-5-2016 at 12:50
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Thank you for interest about my Great Theory of the water. O = oxygen H = hydrogen. 2 = multiplying, H x H = 2 pieces of Hydrogen. Well.. hm...So much in my theory would better not much dissect. Is it international truth, it is clearly. Water know everybody. Please, do no drilling and do not doubts. Everybody can forget on E = m . c 2.
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[*] posted on 19-5-2016 at 01:04


This could be interesting:

70:25:5 NH4ClO4:Palmitic acid/napthenic acid/gasoline:magnesium powder. This might act as a sort of 'vacuum' explosive: napalm uses up enormous quanitities of oxygen and this mixture could detonate and create a pressure wave that collapses in on itself...
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[*] posted on 19-5-2016 at 03:23


But the ammonium perchlorate in your mixture provides that oxygen.

So called "vacuum bombs" rely on large amounts of metal powder that combusts in the air after the detonation. First it heats the air and detonation products to a few thousand kelvins, expanding them by a factor ten or so. Then the products condense and rapidly lowers the pressure. The low pressure wave deals very nasty damage...
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[*] posted on 19-5-2016 at 04:40


Ah, sorry about that. Fuel-air bombs can also work like this. They should be banned as weapons of mass destruction. That mixture could still be interesting.
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[*] posted on 19-5-2016 at 08:49


Thanks PHILOU for your answer, I'll try it soon.

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Quote: Originally posted by kratomiter  
One quick question: I want to try the synthesis of guanidine perchlorate using ammonium perchlorate instead of perchloric acid.

NH2C(=NH)NH2 · ½H2CO3 + NH4ClO4 -> NH2C(=NH)NH2ClO4 + NH3 + CO2 + H2O

At high temperatures (>80ºC) in water solution NH3 and CO2 will leave the system, shifting the reaction to the right. Is this correct? Synthesis of HClO4 is not very amateur-friendly and I want to avoid it.

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Guanidine perchlorate, however, is a detonation-sensitive material which is hazardous to handle. Its impact sensitivity by the Bureau of Mines Test (2 kilogram weight, 50 probability) is below 5 centimeters (cm.) The hazards involved in preparing propellants from it have therefore interfered with its utilization.
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[*] posted on 22-5-2016 at 05:33


I think that aminoguanidine perchlorate would be more stable?
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[*] posted on 22-5-2016 at 05:57


I think that aminoguanidine perchlorate would be more stable?
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[*] posted on 22-5-2016 at 07:44


Thank you for your warning ecos. It will be a little batch, just to see if it's useful as a cheap primary.
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Quote: Originally posted by ecos  
Quote: Originally posted by kratomiter  
One quick question: I want to try the synthesis of guanidine perchlorate using ammonium perchlorate instead of perchloric acid.

NH2C(=NH)NH2 · ½H2CO3 + NH4ClO4 -> NH2C(=NH)NH2ClO4 + NH3 + CO2 + H2O

At high temperatures (>80ºC) in water solution NH3 and CO2 will leave the system, shifting the reaction to the right. Is this correct? Synthesis of HClO4 is not very amateur-friendly and I want to avoid it.

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Guanidine perchlorate, however, is a detonation-sensitive material which is hazardous to handle. Its impact sensitivity by the Bureau of Mines Test (2 kilogram weight, 50 probability) is below 5 centimeters (cm.) The hazards involved in preparing propellants from it have therefore interfered with its utilization.

Only when dry! If the reaction is made in water...no risk.
Then slow evaporation in dry air at ambient T° to get dry GP.
It is indeed powerful detonating stuf.




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