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How to neutralize TATP
Hello. I just made some TATP. It hasn't crystallized out into the flask I am making it in yet, but I am really scared it is going to explode! Is there
any way I can neutralize it? If not, can someone walk me through how to safely store it and detonate it? Any help is appreciated!
Edit: I am going to change the title from How to neutralize TATP (please respond quickly!!!) to How to neutralize TATP since the problem has been
solved. That way people won't get a false sense of urgency.
[Edited on 25-10-2013 by Gooferking Science]
[Edited on 25-10-2013 by Gooferking Science]
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Please write what your solution consists of exactly, how long ago it was made and what quantity?
My gut feeling if it hasn't crystallised yet is to dilute it heavily with ice water, hopefully nothing precipitates, but I'm no expert in this
reaction... hopefully somebody replies to you soon with better advice. Should at least stall things in the meantime.
[Edited on 25-10-2013 by deltaH]
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Disclaimer: I have never worked with organic peroxides (and do not plan to)!
If no crystals have formed yet, I would add concentrated sodium hydroxide solution to remove the acidic conditions necessary for the reaction.
If crystals have formed yet, I would dissolve them in any convenient organic solvent and dispose of the solution in a safe way.
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Oh sorry silly me... It was made about 30 min ago. I mixed 35ml of acetone and 65ml of 3% hydrogen peroxide. I then added 35 ml of 31% HCl to it
slowly in an ice bath. It is now reacting, and it isn't finished yet (I think) if it isn't finished reacting, do you think I can neutralize the acid
in it with sodium bicarbonate before it completely reacts? The acid is the catalyst to the reaction.
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Cheddite cheese - thank you, I will go and do that. I will give an update when finished.
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You lucky it's so dilute, quickly add to large volume of water (bucket) then neutralise with bicarbonate, then dispose of the liquid safely.
MAKE sure there are no crystals formed!
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You'll get .01 grams of TATP from that low concentration hydrogen peroxide.
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Cheddite Cheese, please don't advise people to mix concentrated strong bases with concentrated strong acids where sensitive
explosives may be present.
The standard methodology is dilute strongly first in ice water, then neutralise with a sodium bicarbonate.
In this case, probably no harm no fowl for reasons I don't think we should elaborate on, ok golfpro...?
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Okay, it is has been safely diluted and neutralized. I can relax now. I am never going to make sensitive explosives again! It was a very scary feeling
that I got suddenly. The kind of feeling you get when you could be killed or injured by something...
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Happy to hear it Gooferking, make sure to dispose of it safely. Even diluted and neutralised, if you store it for a long time, some
products may still form, best not to leave it hanging around.
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I performed this same synthesis of TATP and directly filtered the acidic solution (with the TATP precipitate). I then proceeded to pour a solution of
sodium bicarbonate through the TATP (while it was still wet) in the filter to neutralize it without using a water wash. I detonated and deflagrated
the TATP without incident; however, I was wondering if this was safe. Could sodium chloride have remained in the filter along with the TATP, and could
this have altered the sensitivity?
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Quote: Originally posted by blargish  | | I performed this same synthesis of TATP and directly filtered the acidic solution (with the TATP precipitate). I then proceeded to pour a solution of
sodium bicarbonate through the TATP (while it was still wet) in the filter to neutralize it without using a water wash. I detonated and deflagrated
the TATP without incident; however, I was wondering if this was safe. Could sodium chloride have remained in the filter along with the TATP, and could
this have altered the sensitivity? |
Sodium chloride is quite inert. When I used to make TATP, I washed it with so much water that there was no acid left. Better than neutralising, which
generates useless heat and you have to wash it anyways to get the pure product.
Rest In Pieces!
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adding heat into this reaction can and might be the last thing you do, although this is in small amounts..
but let me get this straight .. you made AP before you understood fully how to neutralize it??? i really try hard at this moment to contain myself, as
TATP is the exact compound that obliterates the entire amateur world of energetics, as people tend to mix it up for gigs and then hope they dont die
this is a very dangerous compound.. how can you not have read and understood the synthesis at least once before even deciding to get hands on the
chemicals alone?
for the record -- the procedure on removing these kinds of things are either to insert a initiator in the wet crystal solid (if it formed) and the
liquid to be spread out on ground with no use, this has been done with also crystals, washed away with huge amounts of water and spread out to slowly
and undisturbed decompose
again, the last part of chemistry you wanna wave about at reversing 'think before do' is energetics, it could be your last, and it has been the last
thing for a good handful of people throughout the time!!
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