Pard
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RDX from dilute HNO3
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I read a thread on here on the PETN thread that gives a table for calculating the amount of H2SO4 to add to HNO3, when dilute.
Would this same technique work for RDX? I wouldn't think so. Everything I've read indicates it needs 90% percent but as the PETN similarly requires
high percentage, I wondered if if the sulfurics effect on the water in the HNO3 might make it work able. I think no but just thought I'd ask and
consider it a learning experience. It seems distillation of the hno3 is unavoidable.
I can try find the mention post if needed
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Dornier 335A
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Sulfuric acid decomposes hexamine. That's why mixed acid can't be used in the production of RDX. WFNA has to be used instead.
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What about 70% Nitric acid and P2O5 ? Will it increase RDX yeild ? or some HMX along with it ? I've seen Ac2O/HNO3, however I havent seen HNO3/P2O5
nitration on hexamine yet.
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yes it will.. indeed it will
P2O5 produces acetic acid with water
the question is ratios, you might wanna experiment and write down some ratios that work?
http://puu.sh/6qqcf.txt
this regards HMX and DPT from HDN, if im not entirely wrong, another compound near if not above RDX's properties
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| Quote: | | ...P2O5 produces acetic acid with water... |
Sheeesh! P2O5is the anhydride of phosphoric acid!
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I was just about to point that out, he probably made a mistake... any ways, P2O5 seem to work, ofcourse ill record whatever i do, if I ever have the
chance. Shipping through dubai is a hard...long...expensive process.
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Save your money ─ if P2O5 worked in the nitrolysis it'd be very widely known . . .
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DubaiAmateurRocketry
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Well it is, its used in many synthesis. P2O5 could also produce NO2+ like sulfuric acid.
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I guess it will need to just distill it. I didn't think so, but thought I'd ask. I do remember seeing a tek posted here involved Glacial Acetic Acid.
Though I don't think it had good yields.
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Anyone ever try mixed acid nitration of Hexamine or HDN using 70% HNO3 and excess 85% H3PO4 ?
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