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[*] posted on 4-2-2014 at 16:18
Manganese (II) Acetate oxidation to Manganese (III) Acetate


I know Mn(OAc)2 can be oxidized to Mn(OAc)3 with KMnO4. Can other oxidizing agents be used? I saw some mentions about an anodic oxidation in water/acetic acid as solvent, but can't find any information on it.
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[*] posted on 5-2-2014 at 09:23


Surprisingly plain ammonium nitrate will do the job.
As does ozone.

Electrolytic regeneration of the (II)acetate to the (III)acetate is possible but as so often with electrolytic methods so shitty as straightforward in theory.

If one is able to tackle the real problem of those (III)acetate reactions, whats removing the product from the reaction continously or batchwise without neutralsing the acetic acid or such but keeping it functional, in use or for further use, whats needed to make the whole thing volumetric less appalling, then ozone will probably be the winner for not shitting in the bathtub so to say.

Just another girlie reagent/reaction mostly: "to beautiful to be useful"

But there is always hope of course!
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[*] posted on 5-2-2014 at 14:39


Thanks for some ideas Organikum. Can you elaborate a bit on the ammonium nitrate. What procedure would you try? I can't find any information about it.
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[*] posted on 6-2-2014 at 10:29


Quote: Originally posted by Crypto  
Thanks for some ideas Organikum. Can you elaborate a bit on the ammonium nitrate. What procedure would you try? I can't find any information about it.


Yes, I'm quite keen too on hearing more about Mn(II) acetate to Mn(III) acetate with ammonium nitrate. It really sounds just to good to be true!




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[*] posted on 22-3-2015 at 11:04


Quote: Originally posted by Organikum  
Surprisingly plain ammonium nitrate will do the job.
As does ozone.

Electrolytic regeneration of the (II)acetate to the (III)acetate is possible but as so often with electrolytic methods so shitty as straightforward in theory.

If one is able to tackle the real problem of those (III)acetate reactions, whats removing the product from the reaction continously or batchwise without neutralsing the acetic acid or such but keeping it functional, in use or for further use, whats needed to make the whole thing volumetric less appalling, then ozone will probably be the winner for not shitting in the bathtub so to say.

Just another girlie reagent/reaction mostly: "to beautiful to be useful"

But there is always hope of course!
Experiment rules.
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anybody can confirm,use ammonium nitrate instead of permangenate?
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[*] posted on 22-3-2015 at 12:09


Permanganates can oxidize Mn(II) in the presence of acetic acid.



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[*] posted on 22-3-2015 at 23:31


i mean amonium nitrate?
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[*] posted on 23-3-2015 at 01:50


Quote: Originally posted by Crypto  
I saw some mentions about an anodic oxidation in water/acetic acid as solvent, but can't find any information on it.

see this,the article is there as well
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=61390&...
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[*] posted on 23-3-2015 at 06:44


Quote: Originally posted by stock  
Quote: Originally posted by Organikum  
Surprisingly plain ammonium nitrate will do the job.
As does ozone.

Electrolytic regeneration of the (II)acetate to the (III)acetate is possible but as so often with electrolytic methods so shitty as straightforward in theory.

If one is able to tackle the real problem of those (III)acetate reactions, whats removing the product from the reaction continously or batchwise without neutralsing the acetic acid or such but keeping it functional, in use or for further use, whats needed to make the whole thing volumetric less appalling, then ozone will probably be the winner for not shitting in the bathtub so to say.

Just another girlie reagent/reaction mostly: "to beautiful to be useful"

But there is always hope of course!
Experiment rules.
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anybody can confirm,use ammonium nitrate instead of permangenate?


I don't have a reference, but I have a feeling that I have read that ceric(IV) ammonium nitrate can be used. I will see if I can find anything about it.
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[*] posted on 23-3-2015 at 09:28


Hmm interesting ,but who (Organikum says plain amonium nitrate not ceric?) sorry for my knowlege.And thank you CuReUS ,Loptr.
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[*] posted on 23-3-2015 at 09:56


Quote: Originally posted by stock  
Hmm interesting ,but who (Organikum says plain amonium nitrate not ceric?) sorry for my knowlege.And thank you CuReUS ,Loptr.


I wouldn't attempt it until I can find a reference, unless someone else can speak to the oxidation.

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* I just seem to recall something I read a while back about this particular case.

[Edited on 23-3-2015 by Loptr]
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