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Manganese (II) Acetate oxidation to Manganese (III) Acetate
I know Mn(OAc)2 can be oxidized to Mn(OAc)3 with KMnO4. Can other oxidizing agents be used? I saw some mentions about an anodic oxidation in
water/acetic acid as solvent, but can't find any information on it.
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Surprisingly plain ammonium nitrate will do the job.
As does ozone.
Electrolytic regeneration of the (II)acetate to the (III)acetate is possible but as so often with electrolytic methods so shitty as straightforward in
theory.
If one is able to tackle the real problem of those (III)acetate reactions, whats removing the product from the reaction continously or batchwise
without neutralsing the acetic acid or such but keeping it functional, in use or for further use, whats needed to make the whole thing volumetric less
appalling, then ozone will probably be the winner for not shitting in the bathtub so to say.
Just another girlie reagent/reaction mostly: "to beautiful to be useful"
But there is always hope of course!
Experiment rules.
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Thanks for some ideas Organikum. Can you elaborate a bit on the ammonium nitrate. What procedure would you try? I can't find any information about it.
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Quote: Originally posted by Crypto  | | Thanks for some ideas Organikum. Can you elaborate a bit on the ammonium nitrate. What procedure would you try? I can't find any information about it.
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Yes, I'm quite keen too on hearing more about Mn(II) acetate to Mn(III) acetate with ammonium nitrate. It really sounds just to good to be true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Organikum | Surprisingly plain ammonium nitrate will do the job.
As does ozone.
Electrolytic regeneration of the (II)acetate to the (III)acetate is possible but as so often with electrolytic methods so shitty as straightforward in
theory.
If one is able to tackle the real problem of those (III)acetate reactions, whats removing the product from the reaction continously or batchwise
without neutralsing the acetic acid or such but keeping it functional, in use or for further use, whats needed to make the whole thing volumetric less
appalling, then ozone will probably be the winner for not shitting in the bathtub so to say.
Just another girlie reagent/reaction mostly: "to beautiful to be useful"
But there is always hope of course!
Experiment rules.
/ORG |
anybody can confirm,use ammonium nitrate instead of permangenate?
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Permanganates can oxidize Mn(II) in the presence of acetic acid.
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i mean amonium nitrate?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Crypto | | I saw some mentions about an anodic oxidation in water/acetic acid as solvent, but can't find any information on it. |
see this,the article is there as well
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=61390&...
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| Quote: Originally posted by stock | | Quote: Originally posted by Organikum | Surprisingly plain ammonium nitrate will do the job.
As does ozone.
Electrolytic regeneration of the (II)acetate to the (III)acetate is possible but as so often with electrolytic methods so shitty as straightforward in
theory.
If one is able to tackle the real problem of those (III)acetate reactions, whats removing the product from the reaction continously or batchwise
without neutralsing the acetic acid or such but keeping it functional, in use or for further use, whats needed to make the whole thing volumetric less
appalling, then ozone will probably be the winner for not shitting in the bathtub so to say.
Just another girlie reagent/reaction mostly: "to beautiful to be useful"
But there is always hope of course!
Experiment rules.
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anybody can confirm,use ammonium nitrate instead of permangenate? |
I don't have a reference, but I have a feeling that I have read that ceric(IV) ammonium nitrate can be used. I will see if I can find anything about
it.
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Hmm interesting ,but who (Organikum says plain amonium nitrate not ceric?) sorry for my knowlege.And thank you CuReUS ,Loptr.
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| Quote: Originally posted by stock | | Hmm interesting ,but who (Organikum says plain amonium nitrate not ceric?) sorry for my knowlege.And thank you CuReUS ,Loptr. |
I wouldn't attempt it until I can find a reference, unless someone else can speak to the oxidation.
I am still in the process of trying to get catch back up in chemistry that I took back in college, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I am not
even in the universe of discourse that would be considered an authority on the matter, but there are others here that are.
* I just seem to recall something I read a while back about this particular case.
[Edited on 23-3-2015 by Loptr]
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