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Separate Chemistry Notes collection
Would there be interest in a separate site (from this) for solely posting notes on reactions? It would provide a place for write-ups of experiments
not detailed enough to publish, or too simple, but would allow commenting and revision, and be more formal than just starting a post to discuss a
reaction.
Would this have use? It would be more of a community resource (I can host it) than a forum.
Thanks for your consideration,
Nathan
{EDIT} The site is http://ptp.x10.mx/cpnf/ It may come down if there is no interest.
[Edited on 6-4-2014 by The Volatile Chemist]
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I would DEFINITELY use the site. My terbium work would be much neater in such a site rather than in the thread. However, I would like the option of
making some notes private for only a select few people to access it.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force  | | I would DEFINITELY use the site. My terbium work would be much neater in such a site rather than in the thread. However, I would like the option of
making some notes private for only a select few people to access it. |
Glad you like the idea! Unfortunately, I was planning on using XMB Forum engine, the same as this site uses. I don't think specific posts can have
selective viewing, but forums can be. I'll make an "elite" forum, where only members allowed access by others in the "elite" can gain access, if you
think that'd be fine. I know how to program, but when it comes to online stuff, all I would be able to do is hack it together with Perl.
If you want to post some of your work already, the forum's up at:
http://ptp.x10.mx/cpnf/
Anyone who wants to help build user base and post some works of theirs, go ahead. This'd be kind of like the "reaction review" site someone else has
talked about making in the past.
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| Quote: Originally posted by The Volatile Chemist |
Glad you like the idea! Unfortunately, I was planning on using XMB Forum engine, the same as this site uses. I don't think specific posts can have
selective viewing, but forums can be. |
Why on Earth would you use a discussion board software for something like that? There's bound to be some kind of free database software that's much
better suited out there.
This just in: 95,5 % of the world population lives outside the USA
You should really listen to ABBAPlease drop by our IRC channel: #sciencemadness @ irc.efnet.org
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde | | Quote: Originally posted by The Volatile Chemist |
Glad you like the idea! Unfortunately, I was planning on using XMB Forum engine, the same as this site uses. I don't think specific posts can have
selective viewing, but forums can be. |
Why on Earth would you use a discussion board software for something like that? There's bound to be some kind of free database software that's much
better suited out there. |
I was thinking that a blog format may be better than a discussion board. If you use XMB, you'll just have a Sciencemadness clone.
Anyone else with suggestions?
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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be happy to use it, I think. But seeing as I can be lazy/tired, would probably post pics of my handwritten lab notebook. And volatile, de donde
eres? I see the .mx...... mi madre vive en Guadalajara.
"We believe the knowledge and cultural heritage of mankind should be accessible to all people around the world, regardless of their wealth, social
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| Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force |
I was thinking that a blog format may be better than a discussion board. If you use XMB, you'll just have a Sciencemadness clone.
Anyone else with suggestions? |
That sounds even less fitting. A chronological organization of content makes even less sense.
The way I see it, for this project to be of any interest to the ones other than the ones posting the notes, the content must be easily searchable and
easily categorized. The option to search/filter by metadata would be extremely useful. Examples of types of metadata would be date, type of reaction,
type of chemistry (organic, inorganic, analytical etc), experimental result (success, partial success, failure), name of the poster etc. I'm sure many
other types of useful data could be added and made searchable.
Programming-wise, this is a very simple concept and should be easy to modify (adding metadata fields and corresponding search bars), even for a
novice. I have no experience setting up something like this, so I have no particular software to recommend. But as I said in my previous post, there's
bound to be something out there. Perhaps some other members have some specific suggestions.
This just in: 95,5 % of the world population lives outside the USA
You should really listen to ABBAPlease drop by our IRC channel: #sciencemadness @ irc.efnet.org
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde | | Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force |
I was thinking that a blog format may be better than a discussion board. If you use XMB, you'll just have a Sciencemadness clone.
Anyone else with suggestions? |
That sounds even less fitting. A chronological organization of content makes even less sense.
The way I see it, for this project to be of any interest to the ones other than the ones posting the notes, the content must be easily searchable and
easily categorized. The option to search/filter by metadata would be extremely useful. Examples of types of metadata would be date, type of reaction,
type of chemistry (organic, inorganic, analytical etc), experimental result (success, partial success, failure), name of the poster etc. I'm sure many
other types of useful data could be added and made searchable.
Programming-wise, this is a very simple concept and should be easy to modify (adding metadata fields and corresponding search bars), even for a
novice. I have no experience setting up something like this, so I have no particular software to recommend. But as I said in my previous post, there's
bound to be something out there. Perhaps some other members have some specific suggestions. |
Great Ideas here, but I have NO experience in any scripting languages except Perl, and that's just for Data retrieval. I wouldn't be the one to do the
programming for this. Since my initial Idea doesn't seem good enough, I'll delete the forum, but let's keep brainstorming the best way to do this.
Maybe something like skidpaste.org (hacker skid/dox posting site... No, I'm not affiliated, just know of it).
| Quote: Originally posted by arkoma | | be happy to use it, I think. But seeing as I can be lazy/tired, would probably post pics of my handwritten lab notebook. And volatile, de donde
eres? I see the .mx...... mi madre vive en Guadalajara. |
LOL. I'm not Spanish (taking Spanish in school, though). I just host from a free site, x10hosting.com, so my site's suffix is .x10.mx, the x10 host I
use being based in Mexico. Funny you asked though 
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joined and typed in my raw anthocyanin notes, with link to the photobucket album of pictures.
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The Volatile Chemist
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^ I saw that. Thanks for the support! I am going to delete it soon if not very many people like the way it's set up at the moment.
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Something like a wiki format with indexing might work better.
Wiki really isn't the exactly right format but is probably closer.
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Wiki format would be much better. That's actually a great idea. If nothing else, it allows for experiments to be easily categorized by
reactants, products, status, chemist, etcetera.
[Edited on 6-7-2014 by Etaoin Shrdlu]
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I second that!
We could use the wiki for making notes about compounds that do not have extensive articles in Wikipedia. (Seriously, you call this an article?) Userspaces could be used for experimenter notes.
[Edited on 7.6.2014 by Brain&Force]
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force | I second that!
We could use the wiki for making notes about compounds that do not have extensive articles in Wikipedia. Seriously, you call this an article? |
Dang I thought it was some kind of rainbow candy able to summon unicorns brought to earth by aliens. I'm lucky there was THAT article. Now I know it
is drug, so i'll eat it. (yeah, that was sarcastic^^)
[Edited on 7-6-2014 by alexleyenda]
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So, would people put time and effort into this? If only there were some way to port wikipedia's articles over so we could have a startingplace. u2u me
if you want to help.
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I am working on something very similar:
https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=30...
With a much greater focus on synthesis. The entire database is searchable by author, citation (via DOI), chem name, formula or molecular structure.
It roughly follows a blog format with reaction details (whether literature or unique to the author), allows rating and commenting of the procedure,
and all search results are indexed by how well the prep has been judged to be functioning by users.
The site is up and running, and I think all bugs have been fixed. I am currently adding content with a few others to fill out the synthesis database
a bit more before public launch.
If you are posting a unique synthesis to the site, it is a location for the open-sourced publication of synthesis, citable on your CV. Peer reviews
are crowd sourced.
Anyone interested in contributing content let me know and I will send details via U2U. Very close to public launch of the site.
[Edited on 7-6-2014 by Davin]
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Well, we may not need this if ^ Exists. What do y'all think?
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It is live now: www.synvaluate.com 
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We've got the wiki, too, so there's no need for this, IMO.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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This forum can be closed, there is no page as I listed above anymore, I took it down. But synvaluate looks awesome!
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