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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 12:38


We also need a logo...I don't know if Polverone will allow us to use the Sciencemadness logo though. I'll U2U him.



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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 12:55


Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force  
We also need a logo...I don't know if Polverone will allow us to use the Sciencemadness logo though. I'll U2U him.
Yeah, I was hoping to be able to use it, but I didn't because I wasn't sure.



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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 13:00


Great! So happy people agreed to do this! I'll be a major contributor, just have to get registered on their site.
Too bad we can't use wikipedia's articles on chemistry as a base of operations to build on. Oh well. I'll register for the site! Hopefully I'll be able to make myself useful. Woelen has many pictures he uses on Wikipedia, if he grows to like this idea, his contributions in that matter may be useful.




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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 13:06


Using Wikipedia articles is fine for a starting point, just as long as they aren't copied identically. If you use them, revise them so that they contain more information that is useful and less that isn't. The old chemistry wiki was completely adverse to the idea of using Wikipedia as a starting point, and that made it extremely difficult to make any progress.



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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 13:11


I hope you don't mind if I put your notice in your sig about the SM wiki in my signature, do you?



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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 13:18


Nope, go ahead! I'm really excited that this project seems to be taking it off, and I think it would be good to promote it on the forum.
Also, I added a tab on the wiki called Get Started. It takes you to a page with links to wanted pages and short pages, the ones that really need editing. That's an easy way to find something to add. Also make sure that when you create or edit a page you include links in the text to other things that need pages. Even if it shows up as a redlink, it will help by adding a wanted page. The more redlinks to the same page, the higher priority the wanted page.




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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 13:33


Thanks for telling me! I've been working there a little while now.



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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 14:01


If you copy articles in whole or part, please don't forget to credit Wikipedia. Otherwise, there shouldn't be a problem.

It would be nice to see more citations. This is amateur-science-focused so it will eventually by design contain information that isn't yet published in journals (hopefully!) and for that reason alone I don't think the rigorous Wikipedia standards are necessary, but something as simple as citing your own experiment on X date or a Sciencemadness page would be nice, if there's nothing published to back you up. If people take to writing experiments up on the wiki, those pages could be cited as well as provide a place for multiple people to corroborate each others' results.

Does the platform you're using allow for payment to switch off the ads, or allow for migration eventually?

EDIT: How do you guys feel about adding OTC and other sources to chemical pages?

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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 14:11


I couldn't agree more about the citations. I'll add a page that sets out guidelines and tips about citing sources and images.

I haven't looked into paying to switch off adds. As far as I know, they don't offer that option. I've never really thought about it, because ads never really bother me (unless they're ridiculously disruptive)

As for adding OTC sources for chemicals, yes. That's one thing that would definitely be very helpful, and it should be a goal to have a sources section on every chemical page. Here's an example of one that already does: http://sciencemadness.wikia.com/wiki/Zinc




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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 16:33


Quote: Originally posted by zts16  
I couldn't agree more about the citations. I'll add a page that sets out guidelines and tips about citing sources and images.

I haven't looked into paying to switch off adds. As far as I know, they don't offer that option. I've never really thought about it, because ads never really bother me (unless they're ridiculously disruptive)

As for adding OTC sources for chemicals, yes. That's one thing that would definitely be very helpful, and it should be a goal to have a sources section on every chemical page. Here's an example of one that already does: http://sciencemadness.wikia.com/wiki/Zinc


I just use Adblock. Everyone should use it. As for other chemical sources, I would vote to include them in general, also manufacturing processes that can be done at home.

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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 17:53


B&F, why don't you get a Wikia account? That way you could upload media, and the edits that you make will be contributed to you, rather than being anonymous.



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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 17:57


Yes, B&F, it would give some credit to the edit :P
Sounds like this is a good start. Is there away to migrate, if necessary? At least download an xml file of it? Just in case we need to eventually. It'd make it look nicer in the future...
But for now, I'll get to work. We need more contributors.
Ask the guy who owned the old wiki if he wants to help!

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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 18:22


I'll be able to make it look a lot nicer than it does now on the current platform. I figured that some of the cosmetic stuff could wait for later once we have some more content and I have some more time.
I guess I can let the people on the old wiki know about ours, but I'm not sure whether anyone even cares about it anymore. The last time that anybody changed it other than some anonymous edits in the past couple weeks was back in January, when I was working on it. (I said earlier in the thread that it was in March, but it was actually January. Time flies!) It was around the time when I first joined this forum. Not even the owner has done anything on it since then.




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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 18:38


He may (Or may not) feel like moving some of his own stuff over. I wonder if he's heard of SM before...



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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 19:35


He's not that interested in chemistry. As I said before, it seems that his main interest is his WWII wiki. He didn't make that many edits himself, he just did the work on the cosmetics and coding, and other people actually wrote stuff. Some of them may possibly be interested, although they haven't been active on there for at least 5 months if not more.



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[*] posted on 16-6-2014 at 21:45


I don't recall seeing the old wiki ever active but who knows. I will definitely help out though!



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[*] posted on 17-6-2014 at 09:37


Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force  
I just use Adblock. Everyone should use it.

I block ads too, but it still leaves the layout clunky. It's not the content of the ads that really bothers me.
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[*] posted on 17-6-2014 at 11:04


How can we add navbox templates to the site?



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[*] posted on 18-6-2014 at 13:55


There's a bit of an issue with bolding text - every time I try doing this, it puts the words in italics and add single quotes to them, 'like this.' Have you had the same issue?



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[*] posted on 18-6-2014 at 14:04


No, I've never seen that happen before. That's rather odd. The way the code works on there, italic is made by using two quotes on either side ''like this'' and bold is made with three quotes '''like this''' so it is as if it simply disabled bold text somehow.
Edit: Just checked the magnesium page, and it appears that the bold text is working again.

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[*] posted on 18-6-2014 at 14:17


It works if I edit the page again for some reason.



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[*] posted on 19-6-2014 at 07:51


Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force  


I just use Adblock. Everyone should use it.


I'm so used to having adblock (it's a MUST for piratebay users LOL) I don't even think about them anymore.

The wiki looks nice so far gents.

edit--hell, i signed up and actually contributed. a first on my part!!

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[*] posted on 19-6-2014 at 15:07


I like the wiki but the layout is a bit eye-straining. Is there any way you could try to make the background of the pages the same color as the pages on here? I think it would look good! The grayish blue background is A0B0BC and the tan background is FFFBE8.



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[*] posted on 19-6-2014 at 15:40


How about I use the tan background behind the text, but keep the green backdrop?

Edit: Ok, for now I made it look like the same theme as this forum. Maybe it'll stay like that, maybe not. I do like the sense of relation that it brings about, although I honestly don't really like the blue-gray background color all that much! :P

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[*] posted on 19-6-2014 at 16:34


I just used the mobile version for the first time and it looks AWFUL. Mostly because of very intrusive ads, but in general it's pretty messy.



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