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[*] posted on 14-8-2014 at 20:36
Dangers of White Phosphorus


Hi all,

I recently obtained a small (2 g) sample of white phosphorus. I would like to see a tiny amount, maybe 0.5 g, burn spontaneously in air or at least glow. I am trying to find out good information on the hazards involved. Obviously, WP can cause burns, and is poisonous if you eat it. However, it is considered very poisonous by inhalation, too. I've seen LC50 figures as low as 3mg/kg for inhalation. But how exactly does WP become aerosolized/vaporized? It seems that it would react with the air so quickly in such a high surface area form - producing the much less toxic P2O5.

Would nitrile or latex gloves, a fume hood, and goggles probably be adequate protection for burning 0.5 gram?

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[*] posted on 14-8-2014 at 22:22


Why burn the phosphorus? It is not that spectacular. If you have seen burning red P, then you can imagine how burning white P looks like, it is very similar. Just an orange flame which produces a lot of white smoke.

If you really want to burn some, take a pea-sized piece of white P (cut off under water from your main piece). Using tweezers transfer the piece to a dry paper tissue, briefly dry it and then put it on a concrete or ceramic tile and light it. I would not do this inside, it gives incredible amounts of acidic smoke, which is bad for furniture, tools and so on (especially iron tools easily start rusting).

There is no need to be afraid of poisoning yourself if you burn the white P. All of it is converted to oxide (either P4O6 or P4O10) and I would not worry about inhaling elemental phosphorus.

Always be prepared to have premature ignition of the white P and also be sure that you never touch the white P with bare hands!

[Edited on 15-8-14 by woelen]




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[*] posted on 15-8-2014 at 13:39


as Woelen said, it's unimpressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oke8GinWDG8

it does make an amazing amount of ''smoke''




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[*] posted on 15-8-2014 at 16:49


I guess I am most interested in seeing it glow in the dark due to slow reaction with the air. I was also under the impression that it usually does catch fire spontaneously in air if all the water dries from its surface.
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[*] posted on 17-8-2014 at 18:47


I definitely would not breath it, but it takes a lot to do serious damage. We actually use it all the time as a weapon which soldiers call "willy pete". Apache helicopters can be loaded up with WP rockets and use them to mark targets, try to set shit on fire, etc. Obviously if the stuff were super dangerous you would have Apaches dropping out of the sky with dead pilots.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't experiment with it unless I had a strong exhausted draft. Also, you can probably use an activated carbon respirator and goggles to guard against it.
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