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How do I store I2?
how do I store this I2 after I have obtained it? also, how do i dry it properly?
Glass jar with a cork stopper?
google points to: light resistant container.. hmm useful..
Anyone know where I can get one of those from a walmart or hardware store?
Also, I don't trust TOTSE cause I feel it's like the anarchist's cookbook which is full of 5h17.
However, I wonder if this is real..
http://www.totse.com/en/technology/science_technology/165182...
I found a different page with details on how to obtain iodine that seems a lot more simple.. and pantyhose?? i don't think that would filter it
good enough...plus it doesn't state how much HCl i would need or what strength/percentage..
what is d-h2o?
Anyone got insight into that totse page?
this is the page i got my original info from:
http://sci-spot.com/Chemistry/iodine.htm
Maybe i should buy the pill case seen here?
http://www.healthaccessories.com/pill_boxes/nitroglycerine_p...
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[Edited on 9-5-2005 by Edward Elric]
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Light resistant container: Amber glass bottle? Generic opaque container?
TOTSE is full of it, period 
d-h2o: Maybe it's referring to water with one or two hydrogen atoms replaced with deutirium isotopes? If TOTSE calls for deuterated (heavy)
water, then thats just another piece of proof that they are ACB nutcases. (I can't read the TOTSE page, because the school has it blocked, and I
don't blame them )
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dH<sub>2</sub>O is distilled water. Deuterated water is D2O I believe.
EDIT: posted at the same time as Rogue.
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d-H2O is just an abbreviation for distilled water.
Dont trust anything that comes from totse.
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Store in air tight non-plastic container. Iodine will not react or degrade with light plus it looks pretty, no need to cover it up. I would recomend
against using cork though.
The prep is sound in principle, acidic H<sub>2</sub>O<sub>2</sub> is used to produce I<sub>2</sub> from OTC
preparations containing it. Though I didn't care to work out the correct amounts of reagents, this has been covered on this forum.
Edit: God, this is only the second time I've ever looked at TOTSE, the thread on preparing chlorine gas is insane, molten salt electrolysis
appears to be the most viable way to produce it and it is stated the one should never mix acid and bleach (which we know would make Cl2) and instead
it is recomended to mix bleach and ammonia (which would make chloroamine and other nasties)..... Never going back to TOTSE... never again....
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any idea where i can find the correct amounts of reagents?
edit: thanks for the amazingly quick reply.
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Most corks and plastic plugs will show signs of I2 leaking real soon. I had a small bottle of it with a nice polyethylene plug and it rusted the metal
in the drawer. I solved the problem by melting a test tube and necking it down to a few mm. After the I2 was put inside the tube, at least 2cm below
the neck, the neck was quickly reheated and pulled shut, with a twist. It isn't convenient to get to, but it will be there when I go to use it. I
might have to do something similar with my Br2 sample.
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Can I2 be stored under water since its insoluble?
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I think any problems with storing it underwater would arise from any iodide ions, as these increase iodine's solubility. Is it possible that
iodides would form in the water?
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In order to form the iodide ions the iodine would have to be reduced, and something else would have to be oxidized... So d-H2O shouldnt' be a
problem.
If some trace amount of reducing material is in the solution only an amount of I2 equal to the created amount of I- is solvated as I3-.
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Iodine
Iodine is soluble enough in water to give you an ugly black solution with most of your iodine sitting at the bottom. What's more, every time you
come to use it it will be wet.
No - the best place to keep iodine is in your pocket, mixed with red phosphorus: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,127839,00.html
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LOL, gotta love that news
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Any news posted by FOX is a little shady in my opinion.
I would store I<sub>2</sub> by putting into a glass bottle with a glass or tefloncoated stopper. Try to fill the bottle as much as
possible to avoid losing too much of the iodine as gaseous exaust when you open the bottle.
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Theres a piece of interchangable glassware called an iodine flask. Are these what they sound like, or just randomly named?
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So, Iodine is most likely going to create a gas either way - when stored.
Hm.. Since it will eat away at certain material, the best thing to use is Glass?
But even in a glass container gas will be created?
Would that be a good idea to put in as much iodine crystals as I can? I don't think that would be a good idea because pressure would increase
inside of the jar thus letting some of the gas come out....
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Most corks and plastic plugs will show signs of I2 leaking real soon. I had a small bottle of it with a nice polyethylene plug and it rusted the metal
in the drawer. I solved the problem by melting a test tube and necking it down to a few mm. After the I2 was put inside the tube, at least 2cm below
the neck, the neck was quickly reheated and pulled shut, with a twist. It isn't convenient to get to, but it will be there when I go to use it. I
might have to do something similar with my Br2 sample. |
Got a picture of that? From what I understand, you completely closed off anyway to open the glass tube? And the only way you can get back to it is by
reheating and opening it open by bending/twisting it?
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I store my iodine in small test tube with rubber stopper,the test tube is placed in my freezer,its there for several weeks and no gas is been
produced...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Edward Elric
Would that be a good idea to put in as much iodine crystals as I can? I don't think that would be a good idea because pressure would increase
inside of the jar thus letting some of the gas come out.... |
Putting more I2 in won't increase the pressure, because the vapor pressure at a specific temperature is constant, regardless of the mass present.
So storing as much as you can in the bottle is a good idea. With lots of I2 present, only a small percentage can vapourise before reaching the vapour
pressure, with only a small amount of I2 in a large jar, quite a bit can vapourise before reaching the vapour pressure.
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I have two bottles of iodine, both originals, as they were sold by different chemical companies.
The first one is made of glass, with a glass stopper which is now jammed due to the strong tendency of iodine to sublimate. You can actually see tiny
crystals on the stopper and the walls of the glass, above the iodine layer. That bottle is possible very old though.
The second made of glass aswell has two lids; both are made of some sort of plastic, and they are both coroded (actually stained).
Probably the material used for keeping the bromine (the material for the lids I mean) would work with iodine aswell.
These halogens are really nasty; that's why I like'em.
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To answer cyclonite4's question, an iodine flask is utilized in the analytical technique of iodometry. This is one of the redox-type titrations
where iodide ion serves as a reducing agent with an oxidizing material to be analyzed. This is done with starch (or a substitute like Thyodene) as an
indicator.
The role the iodine flask plays is like that of a regular flask. The crucial difference is that upon addition of the titrant, the flask is stoppered
and shook. Stoppered so that the solution does not spill when shook ( ), and
that the iodine does not escape from the solution, which may affect results.
We did this back when I was an undergraduate. 
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P.S. I keep my iodine in an amber bottle with a plastic cap. So far so good.
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Possibly I could put it in a glass jar with a ceramic stopper?
It's sad that the crystal get the glass stopper stuck in place. I will have to use a glass flask with a glass top then for this element.
If the crystal get the stopper stuck, should i use a flame on the stopper to get it to heat up and enable to twist off?
Are there such things? I'm curious as to whether this would be a good idea or not.
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Heating a bottle containing a substance that sublimes at whim is not exactly a good idea...
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On a hot day in the sun it might sublime but on the whole don't expect huge volumes of it to sublime In my school they just use a glass stopper bottle for it. It stains your hands when you toucht the inside of the
bottle but it hardly *whoomps* when you open it
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Another scientist had mentioned to me that I might want to use silica gel.
Wiki says non-reactive, so i'm guessing it wouldn't be a bad idea.
Has anyone tried using silica gel to asorb extra moisture?
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Here is what a glass sealed sample of Iodine looks like. Yes, you have to snip off the end of the tube when you need it, so it's not real
convenient, but it will be there.
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I store the iodine I have in a glass vial with a Teflon-lined cap. These are easy to make: use nail clippers to cut an appropriate piece out of Teflon
sheet (washers big enough for this can be found on Ebay) and put it into the cap. This will stay in if cut correctly from thick enough sheet. I have
not detected any leakage so far, just a brown coloration where the iodine vapor meets the Teflon.
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