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[*] posted on 23-3-2006 at 20:01
auto-ignition temperature


I was doing some reading in an organic lab manual today when I stumbled across a very interesting footnote. It was a warning about the fact that carbon disulfide could be ignited by a steam bath! :o

I found this almost incredible so looked up its auto-ignition temperature, and sure enough, it's below 100C. Here's the auto-ignition temperature for CS2 along with those for two other solvents that I thought would be in the same class, but obviously aren't:

CS2...................................90C
diethyl ether ..................170C
pentane..........................260C




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[*] posted on 24-3-2006 at 08:55


They warned especially for that in the safety manual I got for my basic organic chemistry lab course last year. I didn't get an opportunity to try it out, but it sure cought my attention as well. ;p

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[*] posted on 24-3-2006 at 13:30


I can try it, I have enough CS2.

I already ignited CS2 with a glass rod previously heated in a bunsen burner, it works.
I haven't tried to ignite it with boiling water though.

Interestingly, CS2 leaves a yellow sublimate of sulfur on the sides of the beaker when it is burned. It seems to decompose in the flame.

Another flammable substance with low autoignition point is acetylene.
When a stream of acetylene is ignited at a pipette tip and allowed to burn for a few seconds, the flame will immediately re- ignite itself when it is blown out. A cool effect.
The heated pipette tip is hot enough to ignite the acetylene.




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[*] posted on 24-3-2006 at 23:12


Silane and white phosphorus are also substances with low autoignition points. So would the effect be more spectacular if these 2 substances are used?
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[*] posted on 25-3-2006 at 19:41


only thing is that White phosphorous is pretty toxic, dont mess with it
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[*] posted on 25-3-2006 at 20:39


Please Madchem refrain from posting comments like this. We all know this, if we all started posting comments suchs as this the forum would be cluttered with useless details.
To make this comprehensible to you - how would you like it if the next 10 posts dealt with the toxicity of silanes, carbon disulfide, the intoxicating and flammability properties of ether, and so on?
So please - use your wisdom when it *really* is needed!




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[*] posted on 25-3-2006 at 20:54


I thought that the first post kind of directed this thread towards solvents with low spontaneous ignition temperatures. If you go beyond that criteria there are just too many compounds that are pyrophoric to discuss aside from silane and phosphrous so maybe we should try to stick to that.

With such a temperature that it can ignite, it seems it would have some utility in survival situations, it would be easy to acheive such a temperature through most any friction (doubtable but imagine if you could get that kind of temperature by rubbing your hands together, neat [albeit toxic] magic trick). A hot car on a summer day might even be able to ignite it, very dangerous stuff for a backyard chemist in the summer considering how the heat can accumulate on objects.




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