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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 01:47
ANFO mixture with 5500-6000m/s


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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 01:53


AN-91%
Black Fuel oil-9%
H2SO4-99% 15ml for 1kg ANFO
make hot the black fuel oil and after that mix together with AN very good.
That mixture can stay like that 1 day and aftet that mix H2SO4 in that ANFO now u have nitro fuel and ANFO velocita from 5500 to 6000 depend is 1.6gr/cm3 or 1.8gr/cm3
For our EX u need boster :) 10gr AP

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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 02:09


For what purpose H2SO4 is added ? H2SO4 just forms ammonium sulfate. It isn't explosive.
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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 02:41


Are u sure because formed only sulfate a ???
What u forget and is very important is that nitro who
formed H2SO4 together with AN and make that fuel
nitro fuel.
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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 03:10


"Black fuel oil" says NOTHING and I don't think that will react with H2SO4. Are you refering that "black fuel oil" is nitromethane ? And then HNO3 reacts/makes more sensitive/stronger NM ?
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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 03:32


Maja..
How many times u have make EX :) that black fuel oil is
for industry for make hot in very big biulding when is winter
and is like asphalt but is more expensive and flamable.
Same u can try with Fule Oil for car and u will get.have yellow
EX , color when u mix H2SO4 and make nitro fuel and get more density.

First try to make that EX if u like and after that come back
and talk because is not like that.
OK.

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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 04:03


Sorry, I can not understand you.
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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 10:12


pffff, another magic fuel for AN, and this time its....black fuel oil!!!

It doesn't really matter which fuel you use for AN in terms of power and VoD. Soybean oil, sunflower oil, dieseloil, wax, or whatever. Total energy release upon detonation and VoD are all about the same. Density and thus VoD is not controlled by the small amount of fuel oil but the density of the AN...
Addition of sulferic acid might sensitise the mixture somewhat by the formation of nitramines like in ANNMSA, but 1,5% is not going to make this composition detonable @1,8 g/cc with only ten grams of TCAP! :o That is just hilarious...
Also the SA is surely not enough to nitrate all of the fuel oil. Even if you would nitrate the fuel oil under the best conditions (90+% nitric acid and oleum) the products won't be terrible sensitive anyway since most compounds in fuel oil are large structures containing multiple bezene rings attached to eachother which would yield terrible oxygen-deficient explosives upon nitration...
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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 10:22


No way is any ANFO composition going to have
the advertised velocity ......... Soooooooo ,

this bullshit thread belongs in detritus with the other one .
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[*] posted on 3-7-2006 at 17:09


Try and talk...OK
You can mix with parafin wax if u like od Fuel oil
but is not the same procent must be 8% fuel and 92% AN
I try many times and with detonator from 2gr AP i can detonate 100gr from that EX like nothing in glass botle.
If i can detonate 100gr i can 1kg with 10gr AP...??
Try u will see how much is sensitive that EX and after that u can talk because is not like that we can discuss OK.
If u dont know i can tell u have nitroparafin mixture
9% with 91 and u can detonate 1kg u know with how much AP ....?? i dont know tell me..?
And dont tell me because is same detonation if u mix acetone in AN or diesel Fuel Oil , or Toluene.
Yes i know is the same detonation :)
Yes if u mix 1 part fuel oil with 2 parts oxigen will explode same like 1 part acetone with 2 parts oxigen :) and for that u can detonate AN with acetone very easy but with fuel oil u need more AP and strong detonator.
And again i can tell u depend how much u will mix
if u mix 91 with 9 u can detonate with little AP but think what u lost ...
And yes when u put it inside H2SO4 u have nitramines and is very sensitive.
U can make calculation with 15ml H2SO4 how much nitro u can make and is naff for nitration for that fuel or not and depend what fuel u want to use.
Try with methanol crystaline disolved and mix with AN and H2SO4 and u will see what will happen when u detonate 100gr.
Try and talk.

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[*] posted on 4-7-2006 at 00:48


Try with PVC and AN
Maybe will have same explosion :)
but dont forget that NCL3
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[*] posted on 4-7-2006 at 01:39


I doubt that the fuel in the mixture gets nitrated. It's very difficult to nitrate saturated hydrocarbons. But maybe the nitric acid acts as an oxidizer?
I will try this mixture next week and post info about it.
And zmk, does black fuel oil mean the heavy fraction of oil called mazut in some countries?
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[*] posted on 4-7-2006 at 02:16


Yes you are right that is MAZUT for industry fire.

First u must make AN hot to 80C and same with that
mazut to 50C and mix together , and they can stay 4h like that for coling.
When u mix for end H2SO4 will have yellow smog and that
mazut inside in AN will get other color (nitration)
Try :
8% mazut
92%AN
15ml H2SO4 99%

and
9% mazut
91% AN
15ml H2SO4 99%

and u will see how that EX work..
Same with diesel fuel oil :

8% fuel oil
92% AN
11ml to 15ml H2SO4
and u will have yelow color EX and 1 to 2 times more sensitivity.
I have detonated 1.9kg from that EX inside in earth deep 20cm and i get hole 1.8m/50cm
I use boster 60gr AP with 40gr AN and 3ml emulsion mixture 1ml : H2O2 50% with 2ml oil for eat.

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[*] posted on 4-7-2006 at 04:20


Quote:
Originally posted by zmk
Try with PVC and AN
Maybe will have same explosion :)
but dont forget that NCL3


Safety is your number one right? :D

I guess I just couldn't see beyond your huge piles of AP...
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[*] posted on 4-7-2006 at 16:43


I dont know :) :) maybe i have mistake for something.
Every one who work make mistake
What about AP i can't understand u very good what u mean ??

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[*] posted on 4-7-2006 at 17:08


I just meant that the very, very, very remote possibility of dangerous NCL3 formation from AN, PVC and H2SO4 is a very small risk compared to using 90 and 60 grams of AP for booster charges and as a main composition. These amounts of AP can detonate just from sunlight, some static electricity or whatever. I've heard several times about peroxides, like AP, that were dried in the sun or even under artificial lighting that exploded unexpectedly...

And you have no idea how hard it is to produce a dangerous amount of NCL3 :)
And even in the case of the unlikely formation of NCl3 from AN, PVC and H2SO4, all organic or combustible contaminants in this mix will completely destroy the formed NCl3 immediately! :P

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[*] posted on 4-7-2006 at 19:05


Man dont toch H2SO4 in that mixture i say only
AN and PVC .
I know for NCL3 i have make 3 times and all time working perfectly is orange liquid and i know how much is very strong that liquid.
I have make 2ml and i have make test with 0.5ml on 15cm
radish dish and when NCL3 explode , destroid that dish with more then 50pcs.
I have luck because i have plastics protection glass.
When explode AN with PVC will have product NCL3
About the AP i have 50gr AP and i have kep it 4 months with my room temperature 20 to 25C and after 4m did u know what happen (that crystals from AP was like glass no white like first time)
and when that AP explode have black smog)

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[*] posted on 4-7-2006 at 20:49


Emulsion EX:

Mix 50ml oil for eat with 2ml liquid detergent for wash dish mix very good,
and after that in same mixture put inside 30ml 50% H2O2 mix 2 hours with someone machine for mixture after that the emulsion will be ready for use.
Mix that emulsion with 92% AN powder
and u will have emulsion EX with velocita 6000 to 6500
with 1.8/1.9gr/cm3
Need very good Boster for detonation.
If u want to see how that liquid emulsion work , take and throw in very big fire :) but from far.

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[*] posted on 5-7-2006 at 11:36


Quote:
Originally posted by zmk
Emulsion EX:

Mix 50ml oil for eat with 2ml liquid detergent for wash dish mix very good,
and after that in same mixture put inside 30ml 50% H2O2 mix 2 hours with someone machine for mixture after that the emulsion will be ready for use.
Mix that emulsion with 92% AN powder
and u will have emulsion EX with velocita 6000 to 6500
with 1.8/1.9gr/cm3
...[Edited on 03-07-2006 by zmk]

It's very interesting, how you measure the density (and VOD too):
density of AN~1.73g/cm3, oil ~0.8...0.9, etc... So, TMD of the mixture <1.6 :)
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[*] posted on 5-7-2006 at 13:52


Zmk is talking crap.



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[*] posted on 5-7-2006 at 16:45


OK i will delete that density and i will not the write more
that.
when u test that EX tell me how much is that density OK.
USA people the have make test (patent) before and dont worry be happy .
Yes the density is correct from 5500 to up depend from how gr/cm3 u will have.
But they use different emulsion and i try many times and our emulsion work same ,they use water oil for emulsion
Mix oil for eat with water and trhow in fire u will see what will happen and all emulsion EX work like that, but with
H2O2 is much better.
I tell u mix oil for eat with H2O2 50% and make that liquid hot to 60C and trhow in some fire u will see what will happen and after that come back for tallking because the density is little then 6000m/s when u detonate with AN OK.
If u can mix H2O2 with benzene is very very good u will have rocket fuel but u need 80% H2O2 maybe more and u need machine for mix that.



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[*] posted on 5-7-2006 at 17:35


OK i will give to u now one other very good EX for test and pls test that density how much is with 1.8gr/cm3 and tell me.

AN:83%
Fuel oil:7%
Al: 5%
Kalium Permanganat: 5%

Its very sensitive : u can detonate with cap.

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[*] posted on 6-7-2006 at 00:15


YOU ARE TALKING SHIT. NH4NO3 with KMnO4 will form highly unstable Ammonium permangate and Al that would make much more unstable.... Your posts are nonsense ! Absolute drivel ! And if you want to make crud for someone - do it elsewhere...
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[*] posted on 6-7-2006 at 06:31


Maja why u didn't go and wash tv a :)
Who say that because is unstable a? is 10 times much better then AP and u can kep it 5 months maybe more.
I have still from that EX before 4 months i can send to u with post office if u like haha :)
That Permanganat is nothing they mix Cr4O7 but i am not sure for the chemical formula i write correct or not.
U can correct me.
:)

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[*] posted on 6-7-2006 at 08:46


Yeah I agree with everyone else, it might be a good explosive but not nearly what ZMK is claiming, could work for a simple hybrid rocket engine if you somehow pump nitrous oxide gas through it, but your not nitrateing it with those chemical mixtures.



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