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Good morning, because I would like to teach my son, who is 7 years old, the art of chemistry, I would like to create the labels to be glued on reagents.
I had thought of something like this:

What do you think?
Tips and advice are welcome



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[*] posted on 3-4-2015 at 19:53


Quote: Originally posted by Blunotte  
Good morning, because I would like to teach my son, who is 7 years old, the art of chemistry, I would like to create the labels to be glued on reagents.
I had thought of something like this:

What do you think?
Tips and advice are welcome


That is not a bad start but I suggest getting rid of the hazard and precautionary statements. Not only is it not easily read, it takes ages to search up like what H221 means and you don't want to have to search up that stuff when you look at a reagent bottle. Instead just delete the H and P statements and actually right the hazard. (write Flammable Gas instead of H221). You might also consider adding the NFPA because I personally find that it is useful because it gives you all the key information in one glance. Good start though.
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[*] posted on 3-4-2015 at 19:54


I have been dealing with this too lately. I have just been using sticky labels I bought at an office store.

How do you plan on creating the labels? Label paper and ink jet? I have noticed the labels on some bottles starting to bubble from being in my cabinet.
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[*] posted on 3-4-2015 at 20:11


@Deathunter88

Here in Europe we don't use the NFPA 704: we use the Hazard symbol (like skulls and other). :D

And yes, i know that the GHS hazard statement aren't easy to read, but the problem is that the safety phrases for each reagent are many, and the label would become too large, and the bottles that I would use are rather small.
However, since I'm starting now to make the labels, I'll try to print them in both ways, and then I will post here again :)

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[*] posted on 3-4-2015 at 20:17


@Loptr

Many years ago I had a nice home lab, which I sold after was born my first child.
Now it's time to do it again, and some of the bottles of reagents that have remained still have the labels that I had prepared about 10 years ago.

I used laser printer labels, and have not had problems for many years :)

To create the labels I use Word, the program that I teach for many years.
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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 00:58


News on labels revision 2:

- Molar mass
- Solubility in water

And yes, it's difficult to understand hazard statement, but it's near to impossible put them in a so little space :(

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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 01:39


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Here in Europe we don't use the NFPA 704: we use the Hazard symbol (like skulls and other). :D


In Australia, we don't "officially" use the NFPA 704 hazard classification, however I still use it on my labels as I find it a very efficient way to show hazards at a glance.

My labels have the following:

  1. Molecular formula
  2. Systematic Name
  3. Concentration (If applicable)
  4. Atomic Mass
  5. MP and BP
  6. Solubility in water
  7. NFPA Diamond
  8. Pictorial Hazard Symbols (Skulls, Hands being Dissolved, Things on fire etc.)


[Edit] It's great that you are teaching your son chemistry, I got introduced to it at around about that age as well.

[Edited on 4-4-2015 by TheAustralianScientist]




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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 02:28


Quote: Originally posted by TheAustralianScientist  

[B]MP and BP[/B]

Argh, I had forgotten them. Now I have to find a space on the label where to write this information :o

Quote: Originally posted by TheAustralianScientist  

[B]NFPA Diamond[/B]
Ok, this is the second time. How can I say no?
I'll have to use an A4 label to contain all this information

Tomorrow I will post the new version :)
Tnx

PS: It might be interesting to share these files with other forum users?
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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 04:18


Ok, labels revision 3:

Hazard statement removed, add BP + MP + NFPA 704

Please tell me if somebody are inetersted in these labels ;)

Tnx :)

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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 08:56


If you are meaning to offer to make these labels for sale... I for one, would be interested in purchasing them.

I have zero skills with Word, and would very much appreciate some pro looking labels for my storage containers. Perhaps 2" x 3" size???

I hope I understood your statement. "Please tell me if somebody are inetersted in these labels "




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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 09:10


I wish to offer these label FREE to the forum users (files ready to print), but if you need PRINTED labels, there are no problem to send what do you need, when the labels will be done :)

Now, I need only some time for finish the work

If somebody want, can be write here the reagents, so I can make the relative label.
Tips are welcome.
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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 11:25


Argh, I think I need a long long time for finish this work :(


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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 11:39


That is very generous of you to offer the file(s).

The only suggestion I have would be to leave the percentage (%) field blank.
I believe many of us store chemicals in various concentrations, and having a blank field to fill in the appropriate (%) would be very handy.

In thinking about this for a few minutes, I am surprised there is not an existing system or program to make this easier for you do do.
Does anyone know if there is?

At any rate Blunotte, your efforts are commendable. Looking forward to seeing this work completed.
Thank You!




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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 11:52


Tnx Zombie :D

Ok, I will leave the (%) field empty, tnx :)
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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 12:08


The labels look nice, but some information on it is wrong:

NH3 (24%) does not boil at -33 C and a similar remark needs to be made about HCl (37%). These are solutions of the gases in water.

Another remark: As far as I know, HCl, HNO3, NH3, are not toxic. They are corrosive and hence you need the corrosive-sign, but the skull-sign is used for systemic poisons (e.g. mercury and its salts, lead-salts, cyanides). For this reason, I like the diamond-sign better. It has ratings for health, flammability, reactivity and has optionally a special sign (e.g. oxidizer, reacts with water). The health rating does not specify the reason, only a severity (4 being most severe, think of cyanides, arsenic compounds).




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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 12:24


Hi Woelen :)

For NH3 or HCl, I prefer put in label the data for the gases, not the solutions, because concentration can be different.

Much of the information I found, including symbols, derived from Wikipedia or from sites like this: LINK

I know, the signs that are on the internet are often wrong, but I think it's much better for me to follow the signs that I can found, rather than guessed them, do not you think?

But, if you help me, I can still change them, if you provide me good directions

Have a nice day :)

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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 17:34


Here is a neat resource. They will sell custom labels, just tell them what chemical you are interested in.

They also have a few that you are free to print yourself. I don't immediately see useful property information on them, but it's a start for safety information, definitely.

http://www.mysafetylabels.com/free-pdfs/ghs-labels.aspx
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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 18:35


Thanks for posting this Loptr. I saw it in the other label thread.

I myself never considered "real" labels until this thread started by Blunotte .
I really like the concept. Now the search begins for an appropriate label material.
The suggestions of dipping bottles in epoxy/polyester are right up my alley, as I have hundreds of gallons of each in stock.
That led to another thought... Clear heat shrink. The same material they use for sealing bottles.
I'm looking more into that at the moment.

This is a very helpful thread. Especially for newbies like me.




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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 20:09


@Loptr

Interesting...
Maybe I can make a PROGRAM for labels, not a ready label sheets, where it's possible change size, disposition and more (I make programs from 1982)...

I need to think how can I can to do, and first I need to find a free database where put the chemical info.



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Second: http://www.sciencelab.com/msdsList.php is a good resource for MSDS info?
This is the better place I found until now, but if you know a better site, please tell me :)

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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 20:12


It's cool how ideas grow on forums. Lov'in it!



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[*] posted on 4-4-2015 at 23:33


My school has a subscription to a chemical database that is used for management of our chemical stores. One of the features of the software provided is the ability to print out labels. I think it is the software's most useful feature actually. If we mix up a class set of say 2 molar H2SO4 then it spits out enough labels for all the bottles with the appropriate warnings for that concentration.
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[*] posted on 5-4-2015 at 01:14


Argh, I want it :D

For now I try to make this program in Excel + VisualBasic.
But the path is looong :(
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[*] posted on 5-4-2015 at 01:26


In all honesty, it' s not that good. But the labels are handy.
Now, the package that prepares all of iur risk assessments and archives them . That is good.
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[*] posted on 5-4-2015 at 01:41


Here are some labels I found on another thread that I then modified. I personally don't like the fact that the name is on the right and the specific information is on the left so if someone who is good with word could flip the two. Anyways, I will post them for reference.

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[*] posted on 5-4-2015 at 03:36


NVM, I managed to use my horrible Micosoft Word skills to make it so that the chemical name would be on the left.


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