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For x % per year compounded interest, amount in account when you get back = (1.0x)<sup>1000</sup>. For x = 4, 1.08 x
10<sup>17</sup> or 0.1 billion billion pounds. Not taking into account inflation, of course. 
Time bandits like good interest rates! It's how Dr Who sponsors the Tardis!
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Maths dunt lie.
Bankers however Do.
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Your maths are a bit flawed on that one bloggers.
Recalculate using a working formula and you'll find that the Yacht is a bit smaller.
Edit
Dinghy ?
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a<sup>2</sup> - a<sup>2</sup> = (a+a) (a-a) (Difference of squares formula)
a(a-a) = (a+a) (a-a)
a = a+a
a = 2a
1 = 2
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Quote: Originally posted by aga  |
At that particular X, the Y bits were off somewhere else in Time, as was i.
Now i see where psychodelic drugs can come in handy. |
I laughed so hard I saw my neighbor looked over.
I wish I was not alone at that moment...
Now you feel MY pain!
As a post script, I'd love to understand what you are equating time to in a measurement in space.
I have always believed you could not take time out of our math.
In fact a can not imagine any form of measurement that does not involve time as a factor.
This is why I doubt everything. While it may apply to US, it can not apply to everything. We are discussing everything in a BH conversation. It's
arrogant to apply our perception of time to the unknown universe.
That's why I think starting simple can lead to unknown extrapolations.
I've asked a bunch of times. How do you model of an atom compacted infinitely?
Start simple... The energy of that atom at normal atmospheric pressure. Double it, double it, double it.
Does the energy go up? down? stay the same?
Common sense tells me the energy in that atom goes up. Force creates force right?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Zombie |
I've asked a bunch of times. How do you model of an atom compacted infinitely?
Start simple... The energy of that atom at normal atmospheric pressure. Double it, double it, double it.
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We don't know (or at least I don't). At some point the electrons get pushed into the protons, forming neutrons. After that ask Hawking?
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My very simplistic model of matter can be represented as multiple straight lengths of clear pipe all welded together in the middle.
Each pipe represents one of the known dimensions : X, Y, Z, Time, Electrical charge, Gravitational force, Magnetic and so on - maybe some of which we
are totally unaware.
Into this star-like system of pipes is poured some liquid which flows into each different pipe in different amounts according to some unknown rules,
however the amount of liquid must always remain the same.
Energy can be imagined as the amount of liquid that is able to swap/flow from one pipe to another, or perhaps Energy is the actual liquid.
In the case of a compressed atom, the liquid in the X,Y,Z and maybe Time pipes is forced down towards the centre, causing it to flow up into the
gravitic, magnetic, electrical pipes.
If there is a continuous trend for all the liquid to gradually end up in the Time tube, we get a linear progression in time at the expense of the
other dimensional properties.
This is my own personal view and has absolutely no scientific foundation whatsoever.
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I completely understood that right up until the time aspect.
I said earlier that the mass of said atom MUST remain the same irregardless of it being compacted or expanded. Only the form, and volume can be
changed.
Looking at this a an equation... (I suck at this so)
Mass remains constant.
Volume is a predictable variable but perhaps only up to a certain point. If form is changed at some given pressure then the predictable volume must
also change, and becomes a variable.
Something else that just occurred to me. The energy that creates atomic bonds.
Take a spark generator. In a vacuum the spark jumps say 1". Under compression it will take more energy to jump that 1".
That must be saying that some of that energy is lost although we know the energy is the same. Is this phenomenon because there are more atoms (oxygen,
nitrogen, ect) and these atoms dissipate or absorb some of this energy?
I don't think we have to ask Hawking. I'm pretty sure we can figure out what will happen in house.
I mean they figured out fission close to a century ago.
I'm beginning to suspect that the idea of immense energy being the result of a compressed atom may be backwards.
What if that compression absorbs or dissipates the energy just as in a spark? That alone would explain why or how nothing can escape a black hole
because all of the atomic energy is negated under extreme pressure. There is nothing to escape, as long as the machine is running.
Switch off this machine, and I think I just created a galaxy... aka "Big Bang".
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"I said earlier that the mass of said atom MUST remain the same irregardless of it being compacted or expanded. Only the form, and volume can be
changed."
I doubt looking at a static system is useful since to know the mass you must also know the velocity.
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More moonshine, please, I'm still a bit in touch with 'Reality' [hh-iiips][burp]. But I'm kinda driftin' into t'Imaginary... We nearly there, Mom?
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| Quote: Originally posted by IrC | "I said earlier that the mass of said atom MUST remain the same irregardless of it being compacted or expanded. Only the form, and volume can be
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I doubt looking at a static system is useful since to know the mass you must also know the velocity.
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I don't understand...
Why is velocity a factor in mass? I'm only thinking of the static weight of said atom so if it filled a room (expanded) or a teacup (compressed) it
would have to weigh the same.
"I doubt looking at a static system is useful "
Ohhh. I mis read.
I'm not thinking that far ahead yet. Trying to find simple ways to equate to the problem, and knock the easy ones down first.
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
More moonshine, please, I'm still a bit in touch with 'Reality' [hh-iiips][burp]. But I'm kinda driftin' into t'Imaginary... We nearly there, Mom?
[Edited on 30-5-2015 by blogfast25] |
Why does that seem so far fetched?
I was thinking about fission last night, and that's when the idea that the energy of an atom when compressed may just be nullified to the point it is
almost not there.
Just the opposite, of fission, and the opposite of my first thoughts on the idea of a compressed atom.
Lets go back to the sun as an example. Is our sun not a giant atomic reactor tearing atoms apart to create the energy that we so depend on?
Perhaps the BH is the exact opposite?
[Edited on 5-30-2015 by Zombie]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Zombie |
Lets go back to the sun as an example. Is our sun not a giant atomic reactor tearing atoms apart to create the energy that we so depend on?
Perhaps the BH is the exact opposite?
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Hmmm... on a very superficial level stars and BHs may seem the opposite of each other but that just isn't true on any significant
level.
In young and smallish stars, hydrogen nuclei are fused together into helium nuclei. In older and larger stars the other elements, up to iron, are also
'synthesized'. Supernovae provide the elements beyond iron.
We are literally made of star dust.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_in_special_relativity
While I cannot guarantee all you find on wiki there is much information that is at least accurate enough to be worth reading. Study how mass increases
with velocity, the reason we cannot fly at the speed of light (takes infinite energy to yield infinite mass). Consider falling a mile on earth. At
around 300 MPH wind resistance would limit your velocity. Otherwise what would limit your velocity from the 32 feet per second squared. Second one you
fall 32 feet. Second two 64, second three 128, on and on. In a vacuum falling just 10 miles means your moving like a bat out of hell. Odd it just came
to me where did that colloquialism originate? Has anyone ever actually seen a bat flying out of hell? Where is that? What became of the bat? Oh well
never mind.
If gravity is so great not even light can escape the BH do you really think your matter is sitting still? In fact it moves so fast towards it the
friction heating makes it a plasma of great energy, interacting with fields, the origin of the Gamma ray bursts that shine out of the poles like an
intergalactic vaporizing ray. Just imagine if one were within a few thousand light years and pointed at us. Or what was left of us anyway. For awhile
there people wondered if Betelgeuse was going to be an issue since its ticket is nearly expired but good news it looks like its poles are not pointed
at us after all. Missed it by that much.
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So my amazing vision of reality doesn't work ?
Damn.
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I once saw a bong back in the 60's that looked very similar to your star pipes theory.
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Depends what you use it for! 
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I'm still reading citations from the Ayahuasca thread.
I think the BH research will wait for a day or two.
Somehow (like Aga) I believe the two will merge quite nicely. Just got to work up the stone to trip, build a feather, and wax wing, fly up there, and
let you all know it is really just s giant loo. Someone in Jersey forgot to jiggle the handle.
I have to learn the math needed to express my ideas better. Perhaps make a common sense "trail' as it were.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Zombie |
I have to learn the math needed to express my ideas better. Perhaps make a common sense "trail' as it were. |
A 'good' place to start would be the Standard Model.
'Forever' increasing the pressure on an atom will cause interactions by the constituent particles of said atom, changing the 'form' of the matter it
contains.
Increasing pressure does of course increase energy content. Take a bicycle pump, blocked at the 'delivering end'. Quickly push the piston down.
Adiabatic compression causes both pressure and temperature to rise. Now put a small weight on the handle of the piston and release: the piston pushes
the weight up. Mechanical work (dW = Fds, integrated) is performed, proof that energy had been added to the pump by the adiabatic compression.
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
'Forever' increasing the pressure on an atom will cause interactions by the constituent particles of said atom, changing the 'form' of the matter it
contains.
Increasing pressure does of course increase energy content. Take a bicycle pump, blocked at the 'delivering end'. Quickly push the piston down.
Adiabatic compression causes both pressure and temperature to rise. Now put a small weight on the handle of the piston and release: the piston pushes
the weight up. Mechanical work (dW = Fds, integrated) is performed, proof that energy had been added to the pump by the adiabatic compression.
[Edited on 31-5-2015 by blogfast25] |
This is kind of my point but I'm not so sure.
The Temp. of the air in the pump rises. That's energy.
Let go of the handle, and that is proof of this energy. Granted this energy was added.
My thinking was this added energy has to be part, and parcel of the atom at some point but as you keep compressing the atom I THINK the energy is
nullified, as long as the pressure is maintained.
Release the pressure, and you recover the applied energy, plus the original atom's energy IF the atom survived the compression or it can restore to
it's original form.
I think in comparatives. I need to see something as a physical thing in order to understand it. That's why I am asking about math models of these
ideas. If I can see it I can understand it.
Out of all the things posted here that I have read, THIS subject has my attention more than any other. Why? I have no clue.
It's a shame I bought all this stuff for a lab when all I needed was a chalk board. Who Knew?
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And maybe a super computer. I've got a dusty Cray Mk II lying around, if you're interested! Could do with few USB ports, nothing major...
In our current understanding energy can't be 'nullified'.
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Computer???
Blog! You're a genius!
I just noticed there are numbers all over the right side of the keyboard.
Now I just have to figure out how to make them do things. I hope it doesn't mess up my porn bookmarks tho.
Things to do today.
Feed/water the dogs
Feed/ water me.
SSS
Sweep the floor
Buy smokes
Re-wire 72' sailboat
Change cylinder on race scoot
Order cylinder for Triumph
Write checks for water/ electric/ Internet/ house note
Buy dog food
Figure out the numbers on my keyboard
Discover, and create a model for the nullification of energy in that "supposed" BH
Tell blogfast what I discovered
Cry in the shower when Blogfast calls me a hillbilly twit'
Sleep for 1.5 hours
Repeat (note to self: don't tell Blog twice)
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I think it would aid your understanding if you did some study on the subject of potential energy. It exists even if it is not doing anything at the
moment. Just ask Newton about the potential energy of the apple before and after it whopped him upside the head. Or was it on top the head.
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| Quote: Originally posted by IrC | I think it would aid your understanding if you did some study on the subject of potential energy. It exists even if it is not doing anything at the
moment. Just ask Newton about the potential energy of the apple before and after it whopped him upside the head. Or was it on top the head.
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Agreed. Potential energy is what holds the Universe together.
It's often poorly understood by layman but then so is the whole concept of 'Energy' itself! Ironically E = mc<sup>2</sup> hasn't really
helped much to alleviate the ignorance, quite opposite...
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| Quote: Originally posted by IrC | I think it would aid your understanding if you did some study on the subject of potential energy. It exists even if it is not doing anything at the
moment. Just ask Newton about the potential energy of the apple before and after it whopped him upside the head. Or was it on top the head.
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LOL... In broad strokes I am rethinking gravity too. Potential energy is kind of what I have in mind w/ the BH ideas but gravity is a loose cannon in
some of the concepts I am developing.
I have to think this thru more before I chew off my foot.
Last night I was daydreaming before falling asleep.
I've done some strange things w/ welders/high amperage, and one was squeezing a MIG wire in a registered bearing press. When I applied current you
could feel the movement in the handle even tho it is buffered by the hydraulic system.
Not pulling together but pushing apart. I don't know where this fits yet... but it does.
Sort of like two true steel machinists blocks being "lubricated by energetic materials.
Take those snap pop things you throw, and wipe them between two heavy steel plates. The plates slide easier due to the energy being created.
Again how this applies or what it has to do w/ BH's I don't know... Just rambling on ideas..
| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
Agreed. Potential energy is what holds the Universe together.
It's often poorly understood by layman but then so is the whole concept of 'Energy' itself! Ironically E = mc<sup>2</sup> hasn't really
helped much to alleviate the ignorance, quite opposite... |
It's the c squared that is the issue.
If light slows down under pressure, then it no longer is a constant, and is useless to formulate from.
There has to be a NEW constant.
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