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[*] posted on 11-12-2015 at 11:39


Quote: Originally posted by aga  

Is the "Oxygen group" All elements on the O column (#16) of the periodic table?


Yes, all of them form bivalent hydrides(H2X) and have two lone electron pairs on the X. They're all Lewis bases, to varying degrees.

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[*] posted on 11-12-2015 at 12:04


And now I have to add the following.

Hybridisation also depends on atom size and difference in electronegativity, see e.g. the highly stable SF6. It's shape can be found here.

The hybridisation is sp<sup>3</sup>d<sup>2</sup>, six equivalent half-filled AOs, ready for bonding to the F atoms.

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[*] posted on 11-12-2015 at 12:37


Also:

For double bonds in C-C bonds, both C atoms hybridise to sp<sup>2</sup> and the p<sub>z</sub> isn't involved. The sp<sup>2</sup> AOs bond with each other and the H atoms (σ bonds), the two p<sub>z</sub> form a π bond (above and below the C-C σ bond).

Will add a figure (not to scale):

Double bonding.gif - 3kB

All half-filled sp<sup>2</sup> AOs and σ bonds in the xy plane. Two ungerate half filled p<sub>z</sub> (z axis) AOs form a π bond (above and below the C-C σ bond).

Note: no hydrogen atoms shown.


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[*] posted on 11-12-2015 at 12:44


Enlightenment has finally occurred.

I think i finally Get It.

Well taught teach !

Now to see if i can apply the teachings ...




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[*] posted on 11-12-2015 at 13:05


Quote: Originally posted by aga  

Now to see if i can apply the teachings ...


Assignment: draw a triple bond: 1 σ + 2 π bonds. The hybridisation is sp.

Take your time.:)

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[*] posted on 11-12-2015 at 13:26


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[*] posted on 12-12-2015 at 12:35


Tried in ChemSketch and got nowhere.
Ditto MS Pain.
Best i could manage was in Fireworks :-

3-bond.png - 64kB

Blue is the sigma bond, green one pi bond orbital, magenta/red the other pi orbital, with magenta behind, red in front.

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[*] posted on 12-12-2015 at 12:35


We're like sips passing in the night.

That's correcto!

I'll show you mine.


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[*] posted on 12-12-2015 at 12:40


Sops pissing to the right ?

Stop mexing your mitafors.




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[*] posted on 12-12-2015 at 12:55


Ships. LOL.

Triple bonds.gif - 4kB

I had a bit of trouble with it in ChemSketch too.

Ignore the acetylene and pent-2-yne for a minute.

My second pair of π lobes are in (parallel to) the xy plane and painted as red solid lines. So your structure is correct.

With one H on each of the two sp orbitals we get acetylene (IUPAC: ethyne), which is an interesting case. Due two the high electron density between the to C, both H are very slightly acidic (but less than ethanol, e.g.) and salts of it exist, in particular calcium carbide, CaC<sub>2</sub>. With water that generates acetylene because the acetylene is such a weak acid that even water displaces it.

Another thing about alkynes is that the triple bond imparts on the molecule some linearity not seen in alkanes, see the case of pent-2-yne, where the C atoms 1,2,3 and 4 are all on one line! Compare to the 'squiggly' structure of pentane, e.g.

And talking about double/triple bonds, I'm going to present a few more exercises here, shortly.

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[*] posted on 12-12-2015 at 15:09


Using the electrophilic addition mechanism to alkenes and Markovnikov's Rule, predict the reaction products of the following additions:

Markovnikov exercises.png - 5kB

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[*] posted on 14-12-2015 at 13:38


Not sure about any of these, especially the last one.

It just looked stupid so it got rearranged to look better.

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[*] posted on 14-12-2015 at 15:53


The answers:

Markovnikov answers.png - 71kB

Quite a few errors there. Not quite sure why.

The ones with H2SO4 are perhaps understandably harder because you have to realise that HSO<sub>4</sub><sup>-</sup> acts here as a Lewis base and latches on to the carbocation. Will add a diagram tomorrow.

Markovnikov says that the carbocation is formed on the C-atom that is already the most connected to other C-atoms.

In order of stability: primary carbocation < secondary carbocation < tertiary carbocation.

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[*] posted on 15-12-2015 at 06:52


Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quite a few errors there. Not quite sure why.

Yes, sorry.

#5 was just idiocy and not being able to count to 4.

Seeing the mechanisms for #2 and #3 would be very helpful.

I think i've hit my limit on how much can be absorbed in a given time.

Certainly need to revise the past several lessons again (a few times).




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[*] posted on 15-12-2015 at 08:04


Quote: Originally posted by aga  

#5 was just idiocy and not being able to count to 4.

Seeing the mechanisms for #2 and #3 would be very helpful.

I think i've hit my limit on how much can be absorbed in a given time.

Certainly need to revise the past several lessons again (a few times).


#2:

Note that H2SO4 === > H+ + HSO4(-)

Sulphonation of methyl propene.gif - 4kB

Although the hydrogen sulphate ion (bisulphate ion) is a Bronsted Lowry acid (quite a strong one too!) it has unbonded electron pairs on the O atom, one of which bonds to the hard Lewis acid that is the t-butyl carbonium cation. That bisulphate ion is negatively charged helps, of course.

The resulting structure is itself a strong acid by virtue of that dangling -OH group.

In ChemSketch the structure can be easily drawn as follows. Draw your C structure. Add an O atom where you want the sulphate to be. Choose HSO<sub>3</sub> (right hand side of structure menu) and add it to the O.

A well known acid in this category is the following:

p-toluene sulphonic acid.gif - 2kB

It's a strong, non-oxidising acid, often used in OC.

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Why don't we build in a pause and you can work on your empirical dissertation: the conversion of alpha-pinene to alpha-terpineol (and beyond)? :D

I've found another potentially doable reaction with alpha-pinene: the preparation of bornyl chloride, so the money spent on a bottle of high quality turpentine would be well spent! ;)

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[*] posted on 15-12-2015 at 11:13


A Pause before further enlightment rains down would be appreciated.

Some practical would be welcome !




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[*] posted on 15-12-2015 at 12:11


Quote: Originally posted by aga  
A Pause before further enlightment rains down would be appreciated.

Some practical would be welcome !


Agreed. :)




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[*] posted on 19-12-2015 at 07:54


'Blast from the past':

http://www.falstad.com/qmmo/

To see actual calculated versions of the most common molecular orbitals, use this latest version version of the Java applet. They are for the H2<sup>+</sup> molecule (no inter-electronic repulsions).

Only works in IE (NOT Chrome) and you'll probably have to gratis upgrade your Java version.

A π (ungerate) 2px molecular orbital:

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[*] posted on 15-1-2016 at 12:40
Fugitive Fermions


I explain quantum tunneling to my younger brother.

He says:

You mean, El Chapo electrons?




As below, so above.

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[*] posted on 15-1-2016 at 14:22


Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
A π (ungerate) 2px molecular orbital

Each half is remarkably similar in shape to a Haemogoblin-containing cell.




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[*] posted on 16-1-2016 at 22:33


Blog the structure you show is not p-TsOH. p-TsOH forms via electrophilic aromatic substitution as the active electrophile is HSO3/SO3 where the sulphur is attacked by the C=C in the arene.

however the below mechanism would in practice be completed using oleum, rather than H2SO4 as with toluene. This is as the methyl group is electron donating which activates the ring system.

source: http://www.chem.ucalgary.ca/courses/351/Carey5th/Ch12/ch12-4...




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[*] posted on 17-1-2016 at 06:39


Quote: Originally posted by HeYBrO  
Blog the structure you show is not p-TsOH. p-TsOH forms via electrophilic aromatic substitution as the active electrophile is HSO3/SO3 where the sulphur is attacked by the C=C in the arene.



Ok, thanks.




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[*] posted on 17-1-2016 at 15:39


I gave the correction not so much for you but just so no one becomes confused with your structure, hence gave an explanation of the mechanism. great thread btw
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[*] posted on 17-1-2016 at 18:37


Quote: Originally posted by HeYBrO  
I gave the correction not so much for you but just so no one becomes confused with your structure, hence gave an explanation of the mechanism. great thread btw


No worries.

That mechanism you showed seems for the sulphonation of benzene with oleum, though, as it starts with an attack on the π-ring by SO3, not by H<sup>+</sup>.




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[*] posted on 17-1-2016 at 20:46


Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25  
Quote: Originally posted by HeYBrO  
I gave the correction not so much for you but just so no one becomes confused with your structure, hence gave an explanation of the mechanism. great thread btw


No worries.

That mechanism you showed seems for the sulphonation of benzene with oleum, though, as it starts with an attack on the π-ring by SO3, not by H<sup>+</sup>.



I am aware that it is benzene and oleum in the mechanism and hence stated so in my original post. Further, what does H<sup>+</sup> have to do with sulphonation/what i posted? it is not required for sulphonation of aromatic rings in what i have posted (toluene and benzene). I don't recall of any sulphonation in this context that has H<sup>+</sup> as the active electrophile.

edit: i must be misunderstanding what you mean.. Could you please explain?

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