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Quote: Originally posted by aga  | For this to work it needs to be simple, with pictures/video and easy for google to index.
Complicate it in any way and it will fail. |
In what way is anyone trying to complicate it?
A sub-forum would be nice but it's not imperative there be one right now. It could also be created after a few tutorial threads have been 'completed',
these could then be migrated in the dedicated, new sub-forum.
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I'm really interested in this. I know one of the main things I look at on wiki is how the element or compound was discovered, how it was first
isolated, first synthesized and how it is produced commercially and or in a lab setting.
What I have found (which I find pretty odd) is that some "how it's made" is removed from certain compounds as they were once listed and weeks/months
later, certain parts have been removed. I can't remember which compounds this has happened with, I know AmmNit is one for sure, but there are a lot
of others.
I think one of the best ideas would be some kind of a diagram (3D-ish pyramid??) of "how to get here" for specific compounds like how to make XXX
showing combining A, B & C to get X. Then maybe show how to make A, B and C. Listing all practical ways would be ideal. I know that is a lot of
work, but compounds could be assigned to participating members who keep that compound updated.
IDK, just a thought on what could be useful and helpful to members.
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In my ideal world, the science madness preparations would be organized like how Khan academy was (or used to be). Starting off with basic preparations
and background, you can follow branches to create more complex molecules, as well as diving deeper into the world of chemistry. For example, you can
start at Calcium Carbonate, learn about it, make Calcium Oxide. he Calcium Oxide then goes into Cyanamide, etc. Hopefully this makes sense, because no
matter how badly I express it I think its a good idea to connect the preparations in a linear way.
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Forum threads are not the best format for long-term collaboration and polishing material.
I think the wiki would be better suited: http://www.sciencemadness.org/smwiki/index.php/Main_Page
Send me a U2U if you want a wiki account. You need to be a registered forum user with a public posting history to get edit-access for the wiki.
[Edited on 1-20-2016 by Polverone]
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My main concern about the SM Wiki is that it's underused, mainly because it's poorly advertised.
How many here know of its existence or know how/where to access it, off the top of their heads?
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Yeah, the wiki does need to be easier to access. A link on the main page of sciencemadness.org would be good, and if possible, a link from the forum
itself would likely get the most attention.
I can also create wiki accounts, if anyone else would like to join.
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I didn't get a chance to read all of this thread, but I agree, SM could use a bit more shaping up. Perhaps stricter policies on 'chatter' vs actual
contribution, at least i the starting of new threads. And more thread combining. I know I am still a 'useless poster' sometimes. Just a suggestion.
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| Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | Yeah, the wiki does need to be easier to access. A link on the main page of sciencemadness.org would be good, and if possible, a link from the forum
itself would likely get the most attention.
I can also create wiki accounts, if anyone else would like to join. |
I'll gladly join but the problem of visibility really needs addressing first. While SM Wiki posts are undoubtedly indexed by Google, I see it very
much as an SM internal resource, although in time it may grow into something more, of course.
Is there a problem/objection to creating a 'Fundamentals > ScienceMadness Wiki' link/sub-folder?
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 | | Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | Yeah, the wiki does need to be easier to access. A link on the main page of sciencemadness.org would be good, and if possible, a link from the forum
itself would likely get the most attention.
I can also create wiki accounts, if anyone else would like to join. |
I'll gladly join but the problem of visibility really needs addressing first. While SM Wiki posts are undoubtedly indexed by Google, I see it very
much as an SM internal resource, although in time it may grow into something more, of course.
Is there a problem/objection to creating a 'Fundamentals > ScienceMadness Wiki' link/sub-folder? |
I will
talk to Polverone about it.
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Since as I assume The Elder Smurf approved/supported the Wiki initiative it would seem pointless not to promote and develop it further.
I totally smurf this message. 
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After reading the thread, I'd think the forum itself isn't the place for such preps, but the wiki could definitely use promotion. Not that
mass-U2U-ing is exactly needed, but a little of work would help (not at I have helped much).
That prepchem.com site looks cool too, though focusing on our own projects is probably best.
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I'm not really talking about prep threads but rather about theory threads like the QM/QC and the Acid Base theory threads.
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Yes for some reason there seems to be confusion as to the original intent of this. Blogfast wants to create general chemistry tutorial threads about
general chemistry subjects, not specific compound preparations. The latter is what the Prepublication forum is for. General interest threads on
acid/base theory, ionic vs covalent bonds & compounds, calculating reaction enthalpy, etc. etc. would be very helpful, especially for beginners.
Since I'm mostly self-taught, refresher threads on these basic concepts and theory would be great! Most of my knowledge is on the practical side.
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
I'm not really talking about prep threads but rather about theory threads like the QM/QC and the Acid Base theory threads. |
Then go for it. I guess I could make some of these too (If that's what you were asking help for), but I don't think I would start any
of these, unless you wanted one on using OpenBabel.
But, if people who have more practical or experiential knowledge than I want to start threads on this topic, please do, they would be much
appreciated. I'd say it'd be great to have such a set of resources available.
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What is 'OpenBabel'?
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Software/libraries for converting chemical files and doing analysis on chemical structures. For a smiles formula, it figures out a structure for the
molecule and reports a list of atoms in the molecule, their locations in space relative to the center of the molecule, an electron density mesh, etc.
More of just fun stuff for amateurs, not too practical except for melting point prediction.
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I think a thread on using that would be very useful, seriously! Totally supported. 
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OK, perhaps tonight I'll right one up in model of some of the ones already made. Glad I can contribute something.
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Great idea, keep up the excelent work.
I would be willing to help with something if I can.
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Aaand sorry I forgot about the open-babel thing. I'll write it up soon, but I was sick today and might be too busy with schoolwork tomorrow.
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Ok, whenever you have the time. It's important to educate even hobbyists about 21th Century information methods, re Chemistry. That too is
how we can progress, as individuals, as a community and as a knowledge hub (SM site).
Ta.
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