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[*] posted on 25-1-2016 at 09:25
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Perchlorate is a bit nasty, thyroid disruptor etc, so there have been some pushes to replace it. Something interesting that came out of this is Tetranitroethane, otherwise known as a compound with an oxygen content of 70.1 and with two nitro groups attached to each carbon. Not surprisingly its pretty nasty but it's supposedly a bit like nitroglycerine. Here's an article with a brief synthesis outline http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2016/CC/C5CC09...
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[*] posted on 25-1-2016 at 11:52


Potassium or ammonium Perchlorate are pretty damn benign compared to TNE, both in toxicity and general handling characteristics. Not to mention cheaper, commonly commercially available and transportable as an oxidizer rather than a high explosive.



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[*] posted on 25-1-2016 at 12:42


I wonder how acidic it is....can you make the sodium salt?



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[*] posted on 25-1-2016 at 13:02


Quote: Originally posted by DraconicAcid  
I wonder how acidic it is....can you make the sodium salt?
It seems like the dipotassium salt has been made before, here's a thread on that http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=19427 this paper has some methods for which a sodium salt could be used instead http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3180899.pdf.
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[*] posted on 25-1-2016 at 13:04


Quote: Originally posted by Bert  
Potassium or ammonium Perchlorate are pretty damn benign compared to TEN, both in toxicity and general handling characteristics. Not to mention cheaper, commonly commercially available and transportable as an oxidizer rather than a high explosive.

Looking at it, I don't know why exactly they are thinking of it as a replacement, probably something that popped up during testing. It seems to be nice and shock+heat sensitive, I'll stick with my ammonium perchlorate please.
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[*] posted on 27-1-2016 at 10:02


You obviously confused Tetra-nitro-ethane and Tetra-nitrATo-ethane.
The first one is acidic (dinitronicacid) known for décades.
(O2N)2CH-CH(NO2)2 <==> H-O-N(O)=C(NO2)-C(NO2)=N(O)-O-H

The second one has been synthesized by Klapotke not too long ago.
(O2N-O-)2CH-CH(-O-NO2)2 is non acidic (maybe weakly)
It is a tetranitric ester of the putative 1,1,2,2-ethan-tetrol (glyoxal dihydrate).

If you do a search into the energetic forum you will find information on both compounds...

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[*] posted on 27-1-2016 at 17:26


Quote: Originally posted by PHILOU Zrealone  
You obviously confused Tetra-nitro-ethane and Tetra-nitrATo-ethane.
The first one is acidic (dinitronicacid) known for décades.
(O2N)2CH-CH(NO2)2 <==> H-O-N(O)=C(NO2)-C(NO2)=N(O)-O-H

The second one has been synthesized by Klapotke not too long ago.
(O2N-O-)2CH-CH(-O-NO2)2 is non acidic (maybe weakly)
It is a tetranitric ester of the putative 1,1,2,2-ethan-tetrol (glyoxal dihydrate).

If you do a search into the energetic forum you will find information on both compounds...

[Edited on 27-1-2016 by PHILOU Zrealone]
Thanks for the clarification, I should probably get rid of this post since it is my first heathen garbage.
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