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[*] posted on 8-5-2016 at 12:25


I think the attachment will be very useful for those who intends to demethylate vanilin or iso-eugenol and want to close the benzodioxile ring later to produce piperonal and safrole.

Two methods to demethylation and two methods to close the benzodioxile ring are given.



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[*] posted on 26-4-2017 at 13:08


Quote: Originally posted by chemplayer...  
Interesting. Thanks for the reference.


Something you may want to try as far as you can get some aromatic solvent

http://chemistry.mdma.ch/hiveboard/novel/000291912.html
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[*] posted on 27-4-2017 at 05:06


Quote: Originally posted by chemplayer..  

That said, don't be discouraged as vanillin itself is easily available, very interesting and you can do a lot of great experiments with it (condensations, benzylidene compounds, nucleophilic substitution on the carbonyl, electrophilic substitution etc.).


Hey, did you ever get to successfully make Vanillin nitrile/cyanide?




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[*] posted on 3-5-2017 at 08:22


No unfortunately not - all attempts failed but we think that nickel boride may be a workable path to vanillylamine from the oxime.



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[*] posted on 3-5-2017 at 10:25


Vanillin nitrile would be a relatively unstable compound dure to the fact it's slightly acidic by itself, and reacts with itself in acidic conditions ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoesch_reaction ). I'd suggest to protect hydroxy group first.
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[*] posted on 3-5-2017 at 13:57


Doesn't Zn/NiCl2 reduce oximes? There is a patent saying so:

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=20153#...

Although in this case it seems that Zn/NiCl2 reduction of the imine would suffice.

However I think the most efficient route would be the Mannich reaction of formaldehyde and ammonia with guaiacol, would it not?
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[*] posted on 3-5-2017 at 14:02


I always thought the Mannich was a little dodgy with primary amines and ammonia, since the resulting primary/secondary amine forms a more stable imine leading to overalkylation.
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[*] posted on 4-5-2017 at 02:02


clearly_not_atara, it's called a Duff formylation. I'm not sure whether it's possible to stop the reaction at amine stage. Also ortho-to-hydroxy substitution product might be a major one instead of para.
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