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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 00:49
Propositioned by U2U


I am a new member, and have been recently propositioned to synthesize a material for another user.

It's not an illegal substance, but it strikes me as rather shady.

Does this happen a lot here?

Is there a reporting mechanism for this behavior?
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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 00:58


The same thing just arrived in my inbox too.

This is very unusual, but it's a public forum, so anything can happen.

My view is that it's a wind-up : nobody in their right mind would ask an amateur to synthesise a drug.




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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 00:58


it just happened to me ... first time.



CAUTION : Hobby Chemist, not Professional or even Amateur
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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 01:30


Yay. A new fucktardery.

I ask that any such request from a person not previously well known to a member/verifiably a "real" person and ESPECIALLY for anything patented, scheduled or in any way even remotely conceivable as inapropriate, a patent violation or otherwise illegal in a member's local be posted to this thread.







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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 01:42


May I ask what the substance was?
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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 01:58


Quote: Originally posted by Jstuyfzand  
May I ask what the substance was?
hydroxynorketamine



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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 02:30


I have just received similiar U2U, it was from user loststar0. I think it's time to ban him.



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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 02:50


Aww why didn't I get one of those shady U2Us? I wanted to feel like a cool kid too.... :(
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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 02:52


It will come one day. Or I can send you one if you want lol :D.



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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 03:08


loststar0- His U2U is now turned off.

Please post THE FULL TEXT and headers of any such U2U, I am not able to look at your U2U messages in this system, and you probably do not want me to be able to do so.




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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 03:21


Ok, I'll post printscreen next time.



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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 03:29


nice

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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 04:12



Subject: Re: no subject
From: loststar0
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Sent: 12/11/16 at 02:37
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Quote:
Ok, I lied. It would be for me.

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What use in a lab setting do you propose?
It might not itself be a controlled substance, but producing it for human trials would be in violation of a wide range of human testing regulations.

Indeed, it might easily be construed as practicing medicine without a license.

The synthesis route literature has already been posted, if you wish to try it, proceed from there.

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So it's come up that hydroxynorketamine is an excellent and safe antidepressant.

It's a metabolite of ketamine.

Can you make me a trial amount, for use in a lab setting? I'm interested, for starters, of probably 50-100 mg.

Then a whole lot more if it helps.

I'm interested in doing it cheaply of course.

Thanks,

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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 04:15


My response:

"You do realize it is not psychoactive, save for its possible use as an anti depressant? It won't get you high.

If you have untreated mental depression, I suggest a commercially available drug, prescribed for you by a real psychiatrist, and not something whipped up for you by a stranger on a lab forum."
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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 04:56


I don't think responding to this type of u2u's is worth anything. He's just a troll/spammer/idiot/.... With no actual interest in chemistry.



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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 07:27


Yep, got the same U2U.

Interestingly, the US Government has put out a contract for the synthesis of hydoxynorketamine analogs:
https://govtribe.com/project/custom-syntheses-of-methylated-...

It's far beyond the reach of any amateur, however.

[Edited on 12-11-2016 by Metacelsus]




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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 09:02


Damn ! I missed the chance.

Should have said "Sure. $20k. $10k non-refundable deposit then $10k on completion".

I'd not even know where to start, so no chance of completion :)




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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 10:16


I got one as well I forwarded it to zts16 for action but if bert is on the case.
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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 13:09


That proposal from the Gov. Might be why Mrmario has been asking about it, too. There appears to have been some reasonable discussion in his thread, so maybe a simple reference to the thread would suffice?

I don't like the idea of capitalizing off the membership, here (unless some compensation or donation to the forum can be arranged), but these things do occasionally lead to stimulating discussion. So, maybe let them (all who come seeking hydroxynorketamine) all work it out together, if they can?

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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 13:29


I got one too. passed on to mods.



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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 17:02


Hnk55 and loststar0 are banned from posting and U2U.

If any similar activities occur, please report, forward a complete copy or screen shot if it is done via U2U.




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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 17:04


just ban them full stop.



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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 17:54


How much more effectively banned can they get. Yes, user accounts still exists in those names. But he/she/they can't DO anything under them, except read the forum.

It is possible that this is a person who should REALLY be talking with student health services, rather than trying to arrange for self medication. And who knows. Perhaps after getting back on an even keel? Could even get un banned.

Or it could be one of our more perverse and nihilistic members having fun with a sock puppet account, that last batch of **** was so good they just couldn't resist screwing around.

Or it could be some fuckstick in law enforcement, trolling for a stupid or greedy hobby chemist, trying to groom/manufacture a drug criminal for a bust. USA law enforcement certainly has a loooooooong history of soliciting for activities like this, for everything from recreational drug manufacture to terrorism and murder for hire. It is far safer and more predictable than actually FINDING an existing criminal or terrorist and getting enough on them to get a conviction.

Regardless- They will need to make another account to continue annoying other members, same as if I erased their history.

So, anyone dumb enough to want to become a moderator and take over trying to parse this kind of activity?




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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 20:32


Sadly, Bert, probably this (which is why I thought to isolate them to one group), "law enforcement, trolling for a stupid or greedy hobby chemist, trying to groom/manufacture a drug criminal for a bust. USA law enforcement certainly has a loooooooong history of soliciting for activities like this, for everything from recreational drug manufacture to terrorism and murder for hire."

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[*] posted on 11-12-2016 at 21:03


Honi soit qui mal y pense.

It is stranger than we CAN know.

[Edited on 12-12-2016 by Bert]

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