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Isopropyl Acetate
I was hoping someone who has synthesized Isopropyl Acetate can tell me if my results are similar to theirs. Specifically, I am looking to know if the
odor is similar.
In particular it smelled positively awful, similar to "Silly String" or solvents. Much different smell than the other ingredients such as Acetic Acid
or iPrOH. The Wikipedia page states "It is a clear, colorless liquid with a characteristic fruity odor." citing "ChemVIP" for this, however, the
website link is no longer available.
Further, "Fenaroli's Handbook of Flavor Ingredients, Fourth Edition" (page 900-901) states "Isopropyl acetate has an intense, fruity odor. On
dilution, it has a sweet apple-like flavor."
I did indeed use the search function to look for other results of iPrOH Acetate, none were found of sufficient value. The general procedure I followed
was from Vogel's practical organic chemistry page 383, however, I did adjust the procedure.
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Vogel's Practical Organic Chemistry 3rd Ed. Page 383:
n-Propyl Acetate. Use 40 g. (50 ml.) of n-propyl alcohol, 160 g. of glacial acetic acid and 2 g. of concentrated sulphuric acid.
Reflux for 12 hours. Add an equal volume of water, saturate with salt to isolate the crude ester. Treat the crude ester with saturated sodium
bicarbonate solution until effervescence ceases, saturate with salt, remove the ester and dry it with anhydrous sodium or magnesium sulphate. B.p.
101- 102°. Yield: 36 g.
iso-Propyl Acetate. Use 40 g. (51 ml.) of iso-propyl alcohol, 160 g. of glacial acetic acid and 2 g. of concentrated sulphuric acid.
Reflux for 18 hours. Proceed as for n-propyl acetate. B.p. 87-88°. Yield : 31 g,
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My procedure used 35mL isopropanol, 40ml Glacial Acetic Acid, and 3mL Concentrated Sulfuric Acid. Reflux time was approximately 3.5 hours.
I tried two different methods of separation. I first attempted salting out as suggested by Vogel, which did indeed form separate layers. This layer
was removed and then neutralized with sodium bicarbonate. The second method of which I tried was directly neutralizing it with saturated sodium
bicarbonate under strong stirring. It does have a tendency to foam up so stirring is advised, or, slow addition. Both of these methods gave me the
same product, a foul nauseating solvent like odor reminiscent of silly string. The yields seemed quite favorable towards the ester, however, no
attempt was made to store it. It was discarded by way of combustion as it was quite flammable. It was worth noting that the flame had a very faint
red-purple color to it, however, this was not performed under analytical conditions.
The isopropanol I used was dried using the NaOH method starting with 91% following Lewis Gilson's paper "Note on the Preparation of Absolute
Isopropanol" - 10.1021/ja01343a024
Further, if someone could also comment on the odor of n-propyl acetate I would also appreciate that.
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With most low-molecular weight esters, the smell is going to be a big disappointment if you read the wiki entry and see "fruity"; only in very low
concentrations could most of them be considered nice-smelling. To me, n-propyl acetate smells rather harsh and solvent-like, but if smelled in a lower
concentration, like from a distance away after opening a freshly-shaken container, I think it smells sort of like apples, specifically the skin.
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I agree with Amos, having synthesised many over the years for shits and giggles pure compounds never smell awesome and especially not at high
concentration.
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Some heavier esters such as methyl salicylate and benzyl benzoate can be smelled in pure form, but these have much lower volatility and hence your
nose isn't hit with so much at once.
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From my experience isopropyl acetate smells vaguely like petrol or cyclohexane, not particularly fruity. n-propyl acetate does smell a bit like
apples, but nowhere near as strongly as the butyl analogues do.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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I made n-amyl acetate. Whiffs smelled of banana as hoped. Smelling too much smelled of finger nail polish remover.
The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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I've made iPrOAc and I think the smell is just great, comparing to PrOAc and BuOAc. It is not so "plain" and "sweet", more noble one and becomes
better on dilution. The smell can be characterised as "frutty" one but I didn't encounter any fruit with such smell, it is smell on its own. It
doesn't smell like solvent and not like "sweet apple solvent" (BuOAc) either. I don't regret I've made it. I used almost 22hrs reflux.
But I must admit during the synthesis the smell was awful, also I detected some contamination during the washing process with awful "petrol" smell.
The most contribution to the smell during the synthesis I think is from acetic acid and this combination of 2 smells creates a new one which is quite
bad. I neutralised all the acid till pH=7 (by universal paper). After drying on MgSO4 the ester doesn't color the paper anymore, so I think making the
mixture slightly alkaline during the process should not be the problem.
The smell in the concentrated form (from the bottle) has acetic acid notes. It is better to sniff a stopper, after few seconds these notes disappear
and the smell becomes more characteristic. The same is true for other acetic acid esters.
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The petrol/"diesel engine" like smell could perhaps be diisopropyl ether, it always forms when IPA is refluxed under acidic conditions. Also when I
did the procedure I had to painstakingly make H2SO4 myself, so glacial acetic acid was precious stuff to me, while IPA could be
bought at electronics stores. So, I reversed the molar ratio and most likely ended up with an IPA/IPOAc azeotrope that may or may not have been
successfully broken by shaking twice with a concentrated solution of a MgCl2/CaCl2-mix.
I expected the smell to be less "solventy", but then again even acetone smells like flowers if it is diluted enough.
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@Jome, By the way, I often notice appearing of "petrol" smell which is probably the same think as "unsaturated hydrocarbon smell" (which is similar to
alkyl chloride smell) when drying different compounds on CaCl2. It appears after some time in the stoppered bottle containing CaCl2 and a compound. I
never noticed this effect drying with magnesium sulphate.
The problem with propyl esters of AcOH is also that their boiling points are almost the same as the corresponding alcohols so I think when you use the
excess of the alcohol separation becomes more challenging. I didn't study CaCl2 method yet. Thank you for noticing iPr20 formation, I didn't think
about it (but well, it should be expected).
I did several experiments with separation BuOH and Bu2O with 50% H2SO4 and I think I managed the process. I am curious, does this method work for
iPrOH and iPr2O (iso-propyl alcohol and iso-propyl ether) separation.
Following Vogel procedures for PrOAc and iPrOAc (salting out with NaCl) I found that 18%-36% of the initial volume of acetic acid should be
neutralised but the rest of unreacted acid (mixed with water and NaCl) probably could be recovered with fractional distillation.
To get this loss less than 18% you have to combine the separation and neutralisation process, so separate the layers during NaHCO3 addition.
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teodor 22 hours for this esterification, wow, so long 
using Dean-Stark trap apparatus, hexane, only 5 drops of H2SO4 for 0,25 mol ester and after 1 hour my last esterification completed...
these short chain alcohols should be easily washed into water phase in sep. funnel so no azeotropes during distillation
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@Fery Interesting. How do you get separation of water and iso-propyl alcohol in Dean-Stark? Also what is hexane for?
Time of the reflux is not an issue for me, it doesn't require my attention. This type of synthesis costs mainly the time required for final product
separation.
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Quote: Originally posted by teodor  | @Fery Interesting. How do you get separation of water and iso-propyl alcohol in Dean-Stark? Also what is hexane for?
Time of the reflux is not an issue for me, it doesn't require my attention. This type of synthesis costs mainly the time required for final product
separation.
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The hexane is so that you get two layers in the Dean-Stark trap, with some of the isopropanol being in the top layer (so that it can return for
reflux).
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Hi teodor, it was in a synthesis of an ester of allyl alcohol. If neglecting the already present ester - the hexane boils with water and alcohol and
on condensing the mixture separates in the trap apparatus into upper phase hexane + alcohol (and a little of H2O) and bottom phase H2O + some amount
of alcohol (this bottom phase does not return back into the reactor so you remove water). I just wanted to say that the esterification is quite fast
reaction and I'm only guessing that you wasted a lot of hours + energy for heating. There is no need to use a lot of acid... I used to use 5 ml for 1
mol ester synthesis like in heptyl butanoate where so much of H2SO4 only caused carbonization (and maybe side reactions with alcohol) and later I
observed that it is enough to use 10 times less of the catalyst.
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Thanks Fery & DraconicAcid, I've got the idea. We drive-off both water and alcohol and when the water layer (with some alcohol in it) stops to
grow that means the esterification is completed - at that point we have removed either all water or all the alcohol from reflux.
Which source of information can I use to figure out the possible distribution of an alcohol between water and organic layer (except experiment?)
@Fery I used about 1ml H2SO4 per 0.7mols of isopropanol, it was excess of acetic acid (4x to the alcohol) to drive the reaction. I believe the speed
of secondary alcohols esterification is slower than that of primary ones.
Also I didn't observe separation of isopropyl acetate from water/acetic acid mixture. It needs enough NaCl to form a separated layer (here is the
difference with n-propyl acetate)
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You might be able to look up a partition function somewhere, or you could put a few mL of saturated sodium chloride sol'n in your DS trap to chase the
alcohol out of the water layer.
Please remember: "Filtrate" is not a verb.
Write up your lab reports the way your instructor wants them, not the way your ex-instructor wants them.
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To me, isopropyl acetate has a "stereotypical" solvent smell, though sweeter than normal. It smells fruity in the same way that ammonia smells fishy.
It doesn't actually, but that's how it's always described. It smells rather pleasant to me, though I tend to like the way most solvents smell.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Fery | teodor 22 hours for this esterification, wow, so long
using Dean-Stark trap apparatus, hexane, only 5 drops of H2SO4 for 0,25 mol ester and after 1 hour my last esterification completed...
these short chain alcohols should be easily washed into water phase in sep. funnel so no azeotropes during distillation |
Eventually, I've managed it. But with benzene. Following "Esterification for the introductory Organic Laboratory Course. A modified Dean-Stark trap"
W. H. Puterbaugh etc (the article which was already attached to some other thread by Fery). So, I've got 85% theoretical yield of n-amyl acetate
(boiling point range 1.5C) with just a tiny amount of p-TsOH in approx 0.5 hrs of esterification. With 0.4 moles of the alcohol and 0.5 of the acid,
so without much excess of any component. Unbelievable!
As for hexane, do I properly understand that it forms only ternary azeotropes?
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Yes teodor, with dean stark you know exactly how fast the reaction proceeds. The amount of catalyst you used is sufficient, no need to use too much of
it. You did well using excess of acetic acid, short chain acid very soluble in water is easy to remove (acid, even better its salt), removing alcohol
with much longer chain into water phase would be very difficult, almost impossible, it would stay preferably in ester phase. Performing the
esterification quantitatively so all pentanol consumed is the best choice.
Yes hexane forms azeotrope with water and ester+acid+alcohol, water separates from the condensate as bottom phase with some acetic acid and upper
organic phase returns back into the reaction flask.
My first esters were done usual way (reflux in flask with a condenser), after I tried hexane and dean stark there was no way back (fast, yield, end of
reaction clearly visible, better separation in sep funnel as hexane decreases density of the organic layer - some esters have density around density
of water), the disadvantage is that you have to distill off the hexane but this cost is very small.
With the hexane and dean stark I was even able to make concentrated allyl alcohol from its 70% azeotrope. There are of course more powerful entrainers
than hexane e.g. benzene you used, toluene, xylene, heptane etc. My friend Bedlasky wrote me that they use heptane in producing diethyl oxalate in the
chemical factory. Hexane is available to everyone. I use isohexanes b.p. 60-65 C = benzinum medicinale in Latin.
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By the same method, I've got n-amyl n-butyrate in 82% yield (I measure the yield by the main fraction, in this case, distilled in 0.7C boiling range).
But I noticed the smell of di-n-amyl ether in a room. It is also noticeable when I sniff a closed bottle (through a cap). Obviously, it is not
noticeable in the compound itself which has a very nice, pleasant and quite strong smell.
Have you experienced this type of contamination (with ether) and if so, do you know how to get rid of it? (di-n-amyl ether has the same boiling point
as n-amyl n-butyrate by the way). I used 0.3 g of p-TsOH*H2O per 0.4 mol of alcohol. Also, I kept the reflux 1-2 hrs more than was needed to collect
all the water.
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Hi teodor, personally I would use a little more of acid than alcohol, something like 0,4 mol 1-pentanol and 0,5 mol butanoic acid. The second reason
would be that from possible unreacted reactants there won't be easy to wash out unreacted n-pentanol with water, but it would be easier to wash out
butanoic acid into water phase (water and even better into NaHCO3 solution). Again performing the reaction with dean stark trap and entrainer so all
the long chain alcohol would react completely so no alcohol to remove into water phase.
Or even better, the alcohol could be dropped into the reaction from dropping funnel so it will react faster with acid than with itself, the acid will
be always in big excess in comparison with alcohol.
I have never noticed any ether, but I do not have GC. Once I synthesized n-heptyl butanoate
Also the amount of catalyst you used is OK (I use ratio something like 1 mol reactant + 0,01 mol catalyst).
In the above heptyl butanoate I used too much of catalyst, at the end the acid was separated at bottom and caused some charring. Next time I wouldn't
use 5 ml but only 0,5-1 ml H2SO4 (or equivalent amount of p-toluenesulfonic acid) for 1 mol synthesis.
[Edited on 16-12-2021 by Fery]
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Hi Fery. I used 0.5 mols of acid per 0.4 mols of alcohol. But with yields > 80% I really don't need so much, I prefer to get 30-40 ml of the final
product, so I will try a bit to scale it down.
Thanks for the idea of dripping alcohol from a funnel.
For many situations, the presence of ether in the reaction mixture would not be a problem if it has a different boiling point, but not for this
particular pair.
I will try today to make cyclohexyl butyrate.
By the way, what are your favorite esters with BP < 255C ?
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Hi teodor, my favorites are:
ethyl hexanoate (pineapple)
allyl phenoxyacetate (flowers+pineapple)
allyl hexanoate (pineapple)
ethyl 2-ethylhexanoate (orris/iris scent, trade name Irotyl)
the last one is something surprisingly different from usual fruit scents, I found very cheap source of the 2-ethylhexanoic acid and bought 2x 1 L of
it, 1 L costs something less than 12 EUR https://fichema.cz/kyselina-ethyhexanova/437-etylhexanov-kys...
I found that I could synthesize this interesting ester from the acid that's why I bought it (1st was the discovery of the acid in my favorite supplier
then studying what can I do with it)
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Phenylacetic acid forms esters with honey scents, I bought commercial methyl and ethyl esters and then synthesized only allyl ester.
I like allyl alcohol for esterification, most of esters I synthesized are allyl alcohol esters, as there is much easier to buy esters of common
alcohols, allyl alcohol esters are not easily available or too much expensive.
I also love pears so I bought 1 L of commercial n-pentylacetate (yeah it is easy to synthesize but it was very cheap and in amount more than for my
whole life). By myself I synthesized pear ester n-propylacetate by reactive distillation.
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Two things,
-iPrOAc is not my favorite smelling compound
- And last year I was lucky enough to separate my reaction mixture from making iPrOAc into its components and indeed alkene byproducts were formed. I
tested the components with an IR machine. It seems enough is made to cause considerable smell and some alkenes are really volatile when short in
length.
The bad smell was greatly reduced when the iProAc is separated.
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Interesting. How to lower those byproducts? Does the catalyst (H2SO4/pTsOH/HCl) play a role?
My try on cyclohexyl n-butyrate was not very successful. Yes, I've got a high yield but the compound is not very pure. It has a nice smell when
dropped on a piece of paper but still, there are some notes of burned matches. And I've got 1/3 or more before the boiling point, also the rest in the
flask after distillation was a brown tar.
I have 2 ideas:
1) try to use HCl instead of pTsOH to exclude any sulfur (burned matches)
2) try vacuum distillation. Probably at 212C (the boiling point) some byproducts decompose which could be a source of a bad smell.
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| Quote: Originally posted by teodor | Interesting. How to lower those byproducts? Does the catalyst (H2SO4/pTsOH/HCl) play a role?
My try on cyclohexyl n-butyrate was not very successful. Yes, I've got a high yield but the compound is not very pure. It has a nice smell when
dropped on a piece of paper but still, there are some notes of burned matches. And I've got 1/3 or more before the boiling point, also the rest in the
flask after distillation was a brown tar.
I have 2 ideas:
1) try to use HCl instead of pTsOH to exclude any sulfur (burned matches)
2) try vacuum distillation. Probably at 212C (the boiling point) some byproducts decompose which could be a source of a bad smell.
[Edited on 17-12-2021 by teodor] |
I think you have some good ideas. I think vacuum distilation is a must for these products. If HCl doesnt work, what are some good alternatives? What
do you think about H3PO4 or maybe even excess acetic acid which can double as an acid catalyst and the reagent?
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