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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 03:59
sodium metal extraction - Nurdrage did it!


Just in case you missed it, Nurdrage was able to extract the separation for magnesium/sodium amalgam in his most recent video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCrFFVVcPUI


I wish nurdrage would re-join this forum! He once was a part of us, but because of stupid idiots on this forum, he went rogue and decided to leave us. Just look at the forum on potassium. He was really involved and no one did a better job of explaining the science behind their experiment.

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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 07:54


It looks like "cheating" a bit to me to say they don't use electrolysis.
The magnesium was made that way.
However, it's OTC.
(Incidentally, "amalgam" has a specific meaning that confuses the issue here That's why he uses the word "aggregate".)
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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 11:27


...Except, PoK and len1 provided most of the starting research for the potassium thread long before NR ever did?

He even notes in that sodium video that the only truly original thing he did was the separation method (which I will admit is very good). Nighthawkinlight was the one who came up with the sodium/MgO aggregate in the first place.

Not knocking NR, he's pretty good at his job, but just because he's the one with a YouTube video doesn't mean he's the best at it. He also got into a lot of arguments with other forum members, which I wasn't around for. Something about his being a paid professional?

Also, why call people 'stupid idiots' and restart a long-dead argument? If you want NR back on this forum so badly, it should be because he can collaborate with worthwhile scientists, not because his divine presence gilds the threads he touches.




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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 11:54


I think NurdRage discovered the separation method by accident while distilling dioxane from the Na-MgO aggregate. That would have been quite a eureka moment!

I wonder if sodium dissolves in dioxane or if it forms a complex. Then Na can migrate from small spheres to large ones due to the surface area to volume ratio.




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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 12:42


What is NurdRage's handle on this forum?

Edit: Never mind, found it... it looks like he had an argument with a moderator over using bleach to start a fire. I can see why he was upset, but it wasn't that big of a deal. I don't know if that moderator is around any more.

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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 15:58


Quote: Originally posted by elementcollector1  
Nighthawkinlight was the one who came up with the sodium/MgO aggregate in the first place.


Of course everything has been done before, but like others have said, he does a good job of putting the information in a neat package.

That being said I wonder how many people are satisfied just watching the video's and how many actually go out and replicate them.




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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 16:28


If I didn't already have some sodium, I'd be distilling a mixture of antifreeze and sulfuric acid as we speak.



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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 20:22


This thread makes me realise how many good people have dropped off the radar over the years.
The little spat alluded to earlier was before my time and involved players that we don't see at all now. But there were some great guys there: hkparker, nurdrage, secret squirrel, and more.
I wish I had been around in the days of bfesser, vulture, organicum.
Missing arkoma (hopefully temporarily), aga (self-imposed craziness), zombie, blogfast (love to know the whole story there), deltaH (who may be back one day), chemplayer. Haven't seen diddi or Bert for a while. There are others...

I guess its up to us to keep the quality up. I wish I had more actual chemistry to report.
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[*] posted on 30-4-2017 at 21:02


Bert has been around. I bet aga has some great stuff going on (aside from burned toast and whatnot, which I guess is actual amateur chemistry).

But yeah, there definitely have been some great people through here, and many have dropped off the radar. I hope chemplayer comes back.

We still have some of the great longtime members like S.C. Wack, Metacelsus, and Magpie (and not to mention Bert, Polverone, Nicoderm, and woelen).

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[*] posted on 1-5-2017 at 01:53


Quote: Originally posted by JJay  
Bert has been around. I bet aga has some great stuff going on (aside from burned toast and whatnot, which I guess is actual amateur chemistry).


This burnt toast has potential! :D

Things like aga's nitric acid competition were truly amazing, they sparked creativity among everyone, rotating arcs, peat electrolysis, it was an amazing read.
We should set up something like that again, although the topic is open for dicussion.
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[*] posted on 5-5-2017 at 01:29


Back! But no more videos as yet. For that you will have to wait.



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[*] posted on 5-5-2017 at 04:10


Quote: Originally posted by chemplayer...  
Back! But no more videos as yet. For that you will have to wait.

Oh! That's a tease.
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[*] posted on 5-5-2017 at 05:50


The next one can potassium hydroxide be substituted to form this such as magnesium and potassium hydroxide to form potassium metal

The other methods codys lab of sodium with potassium chloride which not sure if lithium could be substituted instead of sodium it has a higher boiling point
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[*] posted on 5-5-2017 at 06:04


I am not sure if the magnesium metal reduction of potassium hydroxide will work with reasonable yields, since potassium boils at a much lower temperature, so it might boil out and burn. If not, then it will oxidise much faster in the aggregate grinding step, leading to a lower yield. It should still be possible though.
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[*] posted on 5-5-2017 at 12:21


Quote: Originally posted by unionised  
It looks like "cheating" a bit to me to say they don't use electrolysis.
The magnesium was made that way.
However, it's OTC.
(Incidentally, "amalgam" has a specific meaning that confuses the issue here That's why he uses the word "aggregate".)

Magnesium is often made by silicothermic reduction and the silicon itself made by carbothermal reduction
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The next one can potassium hydroxide be substituted to form this such as magnesium and potassium hydroxide to form potassium metal

someone doesn't read sticky threads
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I am not sure if the magnesium metal reduction of potassium hydroxide will work with reasonable yields

two people in fact
https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...

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thumbup.gif posted on 5-5-2017 at 14:25


I am aware or that thread but that is a method involving reduction of potassium hydroxide to potassium metal with magnesium in a Solvent and catalysis the procedure I am referring to is burning magnesium with potassium hydroxide at high temperatures

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[*] posted on 30-6-2017 at 04:20


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Interesting, potassium magnesium aggregate is pyrophoric! Surprised the heck out of me when it exploded in my hands. (Don't worry, i'm safe)

On trying to make potassium metal with magnesium
So has anyone tried a work around or have a method to eliminate this potassium was produced




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[*] posted on 30-6-2017 at 06:48


I think you could distill it in quartz labware from a melt of potassium chloride and sodium. This would require high temperatures and inert gas. If it's not too dangerous, you might be able to do it with a sealed system by allowing the sodium to react with oxygen and water in your setup prior to distillation, but I imagine that could cause bumping, which is certainly not desired at such high temperatures.




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[*] posted on 30-6-2017 at 23:02


Quote: Originally posted by j_sum1  
This thread makes me realise how many good people have dropped off the radar over the years.
The little spat alluded to earlier was before my time and involved players that we don't see at all now. But there were some great guys there: hkparker, nurdrage, secret squirrel, and more.
I wish I had been around in the days of bfesser, vulture, organicum.
Missing arkoma (hopefully temporarily), aga (self-imposed craziness), zombie, blogfast (love to know the whole story there), deltaH (who may be back one day), chemplayer. Haven't seen diddi or Bert for a while. There are others...

I guess its up to us to keep the quality up. I wish I had more actual chemistry to report.
I never did find out what happened to arkoma, but I know he had a hand in making Deschem accepted here after a thread of his took off. I know that Peach went missing and I haven't a clue where, but without the videos that where once there, there are holes in it.



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[*] posted on 1-7-2017 at 12:15


What I meant in my earlier post was that I did not believe that a hot pyrotechnic reduction of potassium hydroxide using magnesium metal would work in a good yield. The sticky thread is definitely a workable route but a route that is not as fickle and cheaper is always welcome.
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