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cool.gif posted on 13-7-2017 at 04:27
Dry state binary mixes with transcient NH4NO2 (ammonium nitrite) generation


Just three insane (genius) ideas...that came to my mind...when thinking about a way to generate dry NH4NO2 into another tread... :D:);):P:cool:

If you test it...
-Do it into minute amount max (start small and avoid more than) 2 grams.
-NEVER STORE...
-Take all due safety mesures as if it was a very strong primary ready to explode for no reasons...
==> avoid handling in hard closed récipients because of lethal resulting schrapnells in the case of a bad event.

First of all general knowledge and informations
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1°) Some explosives are made by mixing two non explosive salts...and during the detonation process anions and cations exchanges thus leading to formation of one explosive stuff...
Ex:
NaNO3 + NH4Cl <==> NH4NO3 + NaCl
Mg(NO3)2 + 2 N2H5Cl <==> 2 N2H5NO3 + MgCl2

2°) The melting of intimate dry mixes of a nitrite salt and a reducing/fuel salt results into explosion or detonations...
NaNO2/NaCN is a typical example...

3°) Silver nitrite (AgNO2) is unsoluble (not very soluble but stil a little)...it can be isolated relatively pure and dried from AgNO3 and NaNO2 or LiNO2 saturated solutions...it precipitates out...and is slightly sensitive to light...probably leading to Ag and NxOy...It melts arround 140°C...

4°) Ammonium carbonate ((NH4)2CO3) is a common chemical used as artificial leavening agent for cookies into backery...
(NH4)2CO3 -heat-> 2 NH3(g) + H2O + CO2 (starts at 58°C)

5°) NH4 oxalate (NH4O2C-CO2NH4) is a common chemical and easy to make from NH4OH and oxalic acid.
It cristallizes as monohydrate...and melt at 70°C where it loses H2O or NH3 (I don't know)...if it looses H2O ... COOL :cool:... you can make it anhydrous...
Oxalic acid is a reducer....
HO2C-CO2H --ox--> H2O + 2 CO2(g)

6°) Silver carbonate (Ag2CO3) is stable below 120°C where it starts decomposing..
Ag2CO3 -heat-> Ag2O + CO2 (g)

7°) Silver oxyde is an oxydizer...upon heating it generates metallic silver and oxygen...
Ag2O -heat-> 2 Ag + 1/2 O2(g)

8°) Silver oxalate (AgO2C-CO2Ag) is a weak explosive...exploding arround 140°C when confined...

9°) Silver salts may form complexes with NH3 of the type Ag(NH3)Z (where Z is an anionic species)...beware that somtimes dangerously sensitive and explosive fulminating silver (Ag3N, Ag2NH, AgNH2) may form.

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The ideas are simple...:cool::cool::cool:
Mixing finely ground (SEPARATELY) dry powders of nitrite with special ammonium salts (carbonate/oxalate);

What is the point of this?
Mixing:

A) of Silver nitrite with ammonium carbonate...:cool::cool::cool:
AgNO2 and (NH4)2CO3
2 AgNO2(s) + (NH4)2CO3(s) <==> Ag2CO3(s) + 2 NH4NO2(s)
2 AgNO2(s) + (NH4)2CO3(s) --> 2 Ag + 4 H2O(g) + 2 N2(g) + CO2(g) + 1/2 O2 + heat

It is noteworthly that this mix generates an extra oxygen and is thus oxygen balance positive OB > 0...what means an organic binder may be used to desensitize it a bit or to increase storage ability while increasing the energy output...

B) of Silver nitrite with ammonium oxalate...:cool::cool::cool:
AgNO2 and NH4O2C-CO2NH4
2 AgNO2(s) + (NH4)2C2O4(s) <==> Ag2C2O4(s) + 2 NH4NO2(s)
2 AgNO2(s) + (NH4)2C2O4(s) --> 2 Ag + 4 H2O(g) + 2 N2(g) + 2 CO2(g) + heat
It is noteworthly that into the present case not only ONE, but potentially two explosive materials are formed...silver oxalate and ammonium nitrite...

C) of ammonium carbonate (or oxalate) with other dry nitrites...:cool::cool::cool:
LiNO2 would make a beautifull red burning/exploding mix ;)
2 LiNO2(s) + (NH4)2CO3(s) <==> Li2CO3(s) + 2 NH4NO2(s)
2 LiNO2(s) + (NH4)2CO3(s) --> Li2O(s) + 4 H2O(g) + 2 N2(g) + CO2(g) + heat
Li2O(s) + H2O(l/g) -heat-> 2 LiOH (g) (responsible of the red flame color)
If oxalate is used a slight exces of nitrite will be needed to ensure the use of the oxalate as a fuel and generate two CO2 extra gas moles...


All 3 mixes should deliver powerful explosive dry binary materials...The theorical velocity of detonation (VOD) of NH4NO2 can be as high as 7,0-8,0 km/s :cool::P;):D

Based onto the low decomposition/melting temperatures of the ingredients...:
==> the mixes A) and B) must be hell sensitive to heat/shock and friction...so extreme caution must be taken when handling (performing the making of the mix and the testings)...

One may anticipate the formation of explosive Ag(NH3)NO2 and Ag3N/Ag2NH/AgNH2 into the reaction products upon standing or heating...hence the extra sensitivity over the already unstable NH4NO2...

==> mix C) must be a little less sensitive and eventually require heating or actuation by a shock/flame primer/detonator...to express full power...

==> The ingredients must be dry and moisture excluded at all costs...to be able to handle the mixes with a relative safety delay...any moisture will cause faster generation of NH4NO2 and autocatalytic decompositon to N2 and 2 H2O...hence producing the unsuited water in an exponential fashion... --> runnaway

[Edited on 13-7-2017 by PHILOU Zrealone]




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[*] posted on 13-7-2017 at 06:28


Why not a binary based on NH4NO3 and NaNO2?
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[*] posted on 13-7-2017 at 12:46


And what making oxidation ammonia water / or gas NH3 bubble into H2O2 / and after the solution boiling in vacuum at zero Celsius. Or some safety temperature. However normal manipulation will maybe horror..........:-)

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[*] posted on 13-7-2017 at 15:01


Quote: Originally posted by JohnDoe13  
Why not a binary based on NH4NO3 and NaNO2?

Why not :-)...good idea too...
Same with KNO2, NH4ClO4, NH4C(NO2)3 ;-)




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[*] posted on 14-7-2017 at 00:24


Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov  
And what making oxidation ammonia water / or gas NH3 bubble into H2O2 / and after the solution boiling in vacuum at zero Celsius. Or some safety temperature. However normal manipulation will maybe horror..........:-)

[Edited on 13-7-2017 by Laboratory of Liptakov]

I don't see an application for that into the case of dry NH4NO2...unless you could explain more the idea...?

But that would of course be very interesting for:
-NxOy/HNO3 generation process
-or the making of TACuN, TACuP or your famous HCuP (you write it CHP)...or intermediary hybrid complexes AHCuP (amino-hexamino-Copper-perchlorate)
(I did put the "u" aside the "C" for Cu (Copper) because this avoids possible confusion with Cobalt (Co) what can make related complexes too HACoN, HACoP, HCoP and AHCoP)

And robot-CoP :cool::P:D;) no just kidding

By the way I used 60% HClO4/ 30% H2O2 to dissolve relatively fast rhodiated silver...without the H2O2 the Ag didn't seem to react ...
I finally got AgClO4...my aim is to make the SANC/SADS brother but based onto perchlorate instead of nitrate...I know it exists and is also a precipitate but never found properties about it...I guess it must be explosive and powerfull aswel...
==> SAPC/SADS(II)
If it is I will try to compare the power of the two via sand-crushing and VOD comparison( Dautriche's method or oscilloscopic)...

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[*] posted on 14-7-2017 at 07:12


Well, CHP is not best abbreviation, HCuP is maybe better. But against this it can be for example Hydrazine Copper Perchlorate. Mad compound...:-)
Still thus maybe CuHexPer, what is also pretty mad abbrevation. SAPC / SADS ? Thats seems as almost as NSDAP and SS Sturmbannführer....:-) Any way, I am curious on output pressure in GPa... Your SS combination.....
CuHexPer has output 25 GPa. Measured on plate dent method on aluminium bricks....:cool:...LL




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[*] posted on 17-7-2017 at 03:15


Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov  
Well, CHP is not best abbreviation, HCuP is maybe better. But against this it can be for example Hydrazine Copper Perchlorate. Mad compound...:-)
Still thus maybe CuHexPer, what is also pretty mad abbrevation. SAPC / SADS ? Thats seems as almost as NSDAP and SS Sturmbannführer....:-) Any way, I am curious on output pressure in GPa... Your SS combination.....
CuHexPer has output 25 GPa. Measured on plate dent method on aluminium bricks....:cool:...LL

What is the plural of SS? SSS ;)

Hydrazino Copper Perchlorate...must be so unstable that it doesn't exist....
1°) Copper Hydrazino nitrate complex (CuHNC) (a turquois blue precipitate) is already decomposing on its own while making it (brown red foaming reaction media)...if isolated dry...it burst spontaneously into electric blue flame...this is not the case of Nickel Hydrazino Nitrate complex (NiHNC) which is easy to isolate as a pink-lilac precipitate without any trouble and in high yield just like Cobalt Hydrazino nitrate complex (CoHNC) a suntanned skin colored precipitate...
2°) Nickel Hydrazino perchlorate complex (NiHPC) is so sensitive it can detonate while moist/into solution from the shock of a swirling spoon into the liquid against the recipient wall.

Since CuHNC >>> NiHNC onto the stability it must be even worst for CuHPC vs NiHPC
==> CuHPC >> CuHNC > NiHPC >>NiHNC for stability/sensitivity.

Yes your HCuP and TACuP are powerful compounds... I will need to get a closer look at your plate dent method onto Aluminium plates to be able to do comparative testings




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