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[*] posted on 7-8-2017 at 16:49
Electrolysis Na2SO4


So there really isn't too much information out there on Na2SO4 in terms of reduction potential. I have an aqueous solution of .1M Na2SO4 and 2 copper electrodes.
At the Anode the reaction is
2 SO42- (aq) S2O82-(aq) + 2 e- o Eox =-2.00 V
2 H2O(l) O2(g) + 4 H+ (aq) + 4 e- o Eox = -1.23 V
So we basically have the water being oxidized because of the lower ox number


At the cathode
Cu2+(aq) + 2 e- Cu(s) o Ered = 0.34 V
2 H2O(l) + 2 e- H2(g) + 2 OH-(aq) o Ered = -0.83 V

And here at the cathode we have the copper being reduced.

Am I correct to assume that 12.09 grams of copper will precipitate in the solution after 2 hours at 7.5 amps?
So it seems as though most of the videos where people are doing electrolysis are making a mistake by saturating the solution since excess na2so4 will be left in the solution, so how much na2so4 is necessary for the 12.09 grams of copper to precipitate? Or in other words, how fast is Na2SO4 being used up in the cell?
Thanks for your help.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2017 at 07:32


Crap, I think that equation is the dissolution of cuso4. One mistake equals new maze.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2017 at 10:38


At the anode you don't get one of the two reactions in your post. The easiest reaction is oxidation of copper metal to copper(II) ions. You need graphite, platinum or MMO if you want the above reactions to occur.



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[*] posted on 8-8-2017 at 12:10


Quote: Originally posted by woelen  
At the anode you don't get one of the two reactions in your post. The easiest reaction is oxidation of copper metal to copper(II) ions. You need graphite, platinum or MMO if you want the above reactions to occur.


So hypothetically if I were to use the copper electrode how much na2so4 will be used up? I'm assuming 1 gram won't be enough to deposit the required reduction of copper(II) ions.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2017 at 23:57


No Na2SO4 will be used up, it only serves as a means of making the liquid conductive. At the anode, copper ions go into solution. At the cathode, water is decomposed (to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and also copper ions are precipitated if at sufficient concentration. The sodium ions and sulfate ions remain in solution.



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[*] posted on 19-8-2017 at 09:48


How can the reaction work?
What you need is Cu at cathode.
You need a soluble Cu salt for that.
Which you do not have.
As the reaction begins, you only have Na2SO4 at cathode.
Meaning that the only reaction possible at cathode is reduction of H2 - no Cu at cathode yet. As the sulphate ions travel to anode to dissolve Cu there, the only possible counteranions at cathode will be OH-.
As the Cu cations dissolved at anode migrate towards cathode, they will meet OH- ions formed by the cathode.
And precipitate as insoluble and therefore non-conducting Cu(OH)2.
The net reaction will therefore be Cu (dissolved from anode)+2H2O->H2 (reduced at cathode)+Cu(OH)2 (precipitated some distance between electrodes)
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