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jim30082
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sciencelab .com
You might want to be careful doing business with sciencelab.com. I have been trying to get some products sent or a refund for over 1 year. Now you
only get answering machines and calls and e-mails are not returned.
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Magpie
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I had given some thought to ordering from them. Why do you think they are giving you a hard time? Are they unfriendly toward individual buyers?
Have you bought from them before?
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Don't be dense. They took his money, did not deliver, have dodged him for >1 year, have made no refund despite demands and now just use an
answering machine. It's a SCAM. They are RIPOFFS.
Anyone with half a brain would have concluded that just from their insane high pricing.
At the very least they are guilty of federal mail fraud.
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They were OK. I ordered from them twice, and once everything was fine, they delivered and the chemicals were of satisfactory grade.
The second time, they grabbed the money, and refuse to answer emails, phone calls, legal threats etc.
Just stay away from them.
[Edited on 7-4-2007 by PainKilla]
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I daresay, had they screwed you the first time, you would never have sent them more money...
Operations like sciencelab.com prey on amateur chemists, and illicit chemists, they seem to take the attitude that all of their customers are drug
cooks and that therefore it is OK to rip them off.
When I encounter an overpriced Internet only flybynight vendor like that I always suspect that they are some sort of intel gathering sting op, but
that's just because I know how the govts like to work.
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What on earth suggests that they are going after 'drug cooks'?
I looked at their supposed inventory, and it didn't look 'drug cook' at all to me. In contrast, KNO3.com, recently discussed on this forum, had RP
and I2 prominently on the front page.
I had come across their webpage some time ago, so I don't know that fly-by-night applies... I never tried to order from them, however. Very possibly
because of high prices.
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Sauron
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I have not examined their inventory, merely run across them as Google entries when searching for some materials, I do not search for drug precursors,
so really cannot say but I would be surprised if they did not claim to sell RP, I2 etc. Perhaps not as prominentlky promoted as that now busted Brit
operation.
What I said was admittedly surmise only, but who else would be the prospective clientele of an Internet based repack shop offering small packs of
organic chemicals at exorbidant prices?
Commercial and institutional labs buy from the usual suspects:
Aldrich, Merck, Acros, Fisher, Fluka, Sigma, Eastman, Alfa/Aesar.
Their prices are high enough but sciencelab.com's prices always appeared to me to be MUCH higher.
So who would ever buy from them except customers that Aldrich etc won't touch with a ten foot pole?
Aldrich vets every new account with DEA. Every one foreign or domestic.
I buy from them, from Merck, from Acros, Ajax, Fluka, Panreac and Carlo Erba via their agents in South East Asia where I am located, but I have a
licensed registered corporation to do so.
So, you tell me who the potential clientele for sciencelab.com, per their own business plan if they had one, might have been?
I can only think of two groups desperate enough to think about paying those prices.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sauron
I have not examined their inventory, merely run across them as Google entries when searching for some materials, I do not search for drug precursors,
so really cannot say but I would be surprised if they did not claim to sell RP, I2 etc. Perhaps not as prominentlky promoted as that now busted Brit
operation.
What I said was admittedly surmise only, but who else would be the prospective clientele of an Internet based repack shop offering small packs of
organic chemicals at exorbidant prices?
Commercial and institutional labs buy from the usual suspects:
Aldrich, Merck, Acros, Fisher, Fluka, Sigma, Eastman, Alfa/Aesar.
Their prices are high enough but sciencelab.com's prices always appeared to me to be MUCH higher.
So who would ever buy from them except customers that Aldrich etc won't touch with a ten foot pole?
Aldrich vets every new account with DEA. Every one foreign or domestic.
I buy from them, from Merck, from Acros, Ajax, Fluka, Panreac and Carlo Erba via their agents in South East Asia where I am located, but I have a
licensed registered corporation to do so.
So, you tell me who the potential clientele for sciencelab.com, per their own business plan if they had one, might have been?
I can only think of two groups desperate enough to think about paying those prices. |
I don't think that Sciencelab's only customer is the clandestine drug cook. They know they are selling chemicals in the secondary market (hobbyists,
etc.) and they charge accordingly. Many on this forum don't have your acquistion credentials and classifying them as drug makers isn't accurate.
Unless you just want piss everyone off.
I have never used them  - I find them to be very expensive.
Joe
[Edited on 8-4-2007 by joeflsts]
[Edited on 8-4-2007 by joeflsts]
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@joe, damn it, you are mischaracterizing what I said I did not say that anyone who bought from scienlab.com was a drug cook. I said that I guessed
that amateur chemists AND drug cooks (two completely seperate groups as far as I am concerned) were probably the intended clientele of sciencelab
simply because these two groups were the only ones desperate enough to pay such ridiculous prices.
Now, if in fact sciencelab did not sell any drug precursors (whatever that means, list 1, list 2) that still leaves a lot of room for them to sell
chemicals that drug cooks might have need of, because those DEA lists are hardly comprehensive.
But I did not exclude the case of perfectly legitimate amateurs trying to buy from these people simply because they have so few other options these
days.
Apparently, if anyone did pay these people, there is a good chance they were ripped off.
That's according to members who HAVE been ripped off, and posted here about it.
Kindly do not misrepresent what I posted. Read it again, it has not been edited and speaks for itself. Any fair reading will reveal I insulted no one
of us, and it was certainly not my intention to do so, in any case.
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Here's the first items under "A" in sciencelab.com's list of chemicals:
(+)-6-Aminopenicillanic Acid
» (R)-(+)-1-Amino-2-(methoxymethyl)pyrrolidine
» (R)-(-)-1-Amino-2-propanol
» (R,S)-alpha-Amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-4-isoxazolepropionic Acid
» (R,S)-alpha-Amino-3-hydroxy-5-methyl-4-isoxazolepropionic Acid Hydrobromide
» (S)-(+)-2-Amino-1-propanol
» (S)-(+)-2-Amino-2-phenylethanol
» (S)-(–)-2-Amino-3-phenyl-1-propanol
» (Z)-1-[2-(2-Aminoethyl)-N-(2-ammonioethyl)amino]diazen-1-ium-1,2-diolate
» (Z)-1-[N-(3-Ammoniopropyl)-N-(n-propyl)amino] Diazen-1-ium-1,2-diolate
» (Z)-2-Amino-alpha-(methoxyamino)thiazole-4-acetic Acid
» (±)-2-Aminoheptane
» (±)-Abscisic Acid
» 1,2-bis-(o-Aminophenoxy)ethane-N,N,N',N'-tetraacetic Acid Tetra(acetoxymethyl) Ester
» 1,3-bis(3-Aminopropyl)-1,1,3,3-tetramethyldisoxane
» 1,6-Anhydro-b-D-glucose
» 1,6-Anhydro-b-D-mannopyranose
» 1-(2-Aminoethyl)piperazine
» 1-Acetyl-2-phenylhydrazine
» 1-Acetyl-4-(4-hydroxyphenyl)piperazine
» 1-Acetyl-4-piperidinecarboxylic Acid
» 1-Acetyl-5-bromoindoline
» 1-Acetylimidazole
» 1-Adamantanamine Sulfate
» 1-Adamantanecarboxylic Acid
» 1-Adamantaneethanol
» 1-Adamantanol
» 1-Allyl-2-thiourea
» 1-Aminobenzotriazole
» 1-Aminocyclopropane-1-carboxylic Acid
» 1-Aminocyclopropane-1-carboxylic Acid Methyl Ester Hydrochloride
» 1-Aminoguanidinium Hydrogen Carbonate
» 1-Aminoindan
» 1-Aminopyrene
» 1-O-Acetyl-2,3,5-tri-O-benzoyl-beta-D-ribofuranose
» 12-Aminododecanoic Acid
» 2'-Acetonaphthone
» 2,2'-Anhydro-(1-b-D-arabinofuranosyl)cytosine Hydrochloride
» 2,2'-Azinobis(3-ethylbenzthiazoline-6-sulfonic Acid) Diammonium Salt
» 2,2'-Azobis(2-methylpropionitrile)
» 2,5-Anhydro-D-mannitol
» 2-(Aminomethyl)pyridine
» 2-Acetamidofluorene
» 2-Acetyl-5-methylfuran
» 2-Acetylbenzoic Acid
» 2-Acetylbutyrolactone
» 2-Acetylcyclopentanone
@Sauron: Maybe I am just dense but this hardly looks like the kind of chemicals either of those two groups you refer to would be ordering.
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Sauron
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@Magpie, hang on. First of all, we are working backwards from a known piece of data, which is that these folks are crooks who have clipped a couple of
our members for money already.
Given that simple datum, I am really not prepared to assume that sciencelab actually had stock of what they listed. More likely they waited till
someone ordered and paid for something before they procured it, sort of a JIT setup.
So maybe they just copied that "inventory" from some other company's stock list and ran it up the flagpole.
In the end, they for whatever reason simply took the money and ran. Cuts down on the overhead for sure, nt much for customer satisfaction though.
Bottom line: they are crooks, and we have all been warned. The rest including my own comments is idle speculation with all the value of rubbernecking
at a traffic accident.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sauron
@joe, damn it, you are mischaracterizing what I said I did not say that anyone who bought from scienlab.com was a drug cook. I said that I guessed
that amateur chemists AND drug cooks (two completely seperate groups as far as I am concerned) were probably the intended clientele of sciencelab
simply because these two groups were the only ones desperate enough to pay such ridiculous prices.
Now, if in fact sciencelab did not sell any drug precursors (whatever that means, list 1, list 2) that still leaves a lot of room for them to sell
chemicals that drug cooks might have need of, because those DEA lists are hardly comprehensive.
But I did not exclude the case of perfectly legitimate amateurs trying to buy from these people simply because they have so few other options these
days.
Apparently, if anyone did pay these people, there is a good chance they were ripped off.
That's according to members who HAVE been ripped off, and posted here about it.
Kindly do not misrepresent what I posted. Read it again, it has not been edited and speaks for itself. Any fair reading will reveal I insulted no one
of us, and it was certainly not my intention to do so, in any case. |
Thanks, I did misread your post.
Joe
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jim30082
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They were OK on my first order. They are kind of expensive
but I just needed a number of surfactants for a project I have going. I filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission and anyone else should
also. Hate to do it with so few suppliers left but I doubt they will do anything anyway.
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I can't go for this. Let us be scientific. The darn human body tends to get addicted to everything from coffee and cigarettes on up. How do you
know you aren't dealing with a passionate adherent of meth who has found the only way to stay slim? How do you know you are not dealing with someone
completely psychotic at this very moment? In fact, I am reminded of a Doors song: "There's a killer on the road. His brain is squirmin' like a
toad". I don't want a) drunks out there, b) anyone on any kind of high on the road, c) anyone not well-rested out there, d) anyone having an accident
for any reason, because I will blame them. Now, who is really cooking? I USED to cook. Riddle me this: How are you possibly going to get away with
it?
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The entire deal with ScienceLab is about convienience. Not everyone has the means, ability, or want to set up an account with one of the big boys
Sauron mentioned. IMO their business is focused on that market segment.
And it does appear that ScienceLab is a repack operation. Two weeks ago I placed an order with them and they promptly sent notice that the item was on
back order with estimated delivery in 3-4 weeks.
So far I have not heard back from them.
I'm going to wait another week, and send them an e-mail(s). If they do not responde or ship my order within 1 more week I will file a dispute with my
credit card company and have them do a charge-back.
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PainKilla
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Be sure not to wait; this is what they did to me.
Eventually, it was too late to do a chargeback, right as they said they were going to ship. Still haven't received anything, not even an email from
them.
Definitely don't delay when dealing with these unscrupulous people.
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http://www.bbb.org/
30 complaints in 37 months. Interesting that Strike's SA is within 5 miles of both sciencelab addresses.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by S.C. Wack
http://www.bbb.org/
30 complaints in 37 months. Interesting that Strike's SA is within 5 miles of both sciencelab addresses. |
wow interesting...
they do not seem to sell illegal things but on the border...
like they do not sell phenylacetic acid which is a p2p precursor but they do sell Phenylacetyl Chloride which reacted with water gives PAA in 100%
yield.
[Edited on 9-4-2007 by conducter]
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Sauron
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You are missing the point, they STEAL YOUR MONEY AND DELIVER NOTHING so what they pretend to sell does not matter does it?
Suppose (arguendo) that they listed I2 and/or red P.
You place an order, they deliver nothing, they have not pissed off the DEA have they?
They would have committed mail fraud but they can get away with that for a long time as it is very hard to motivate the postal inspectors to take
action.
FTC does nothing.
The cops might be highly amused to see someone ripping off people ordering those items.
Whereas if they actually delivered them DEA would be on them in a flash just like those Brits.
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I ordered from them a couple years ago. I believe the order consisted of some glassware, and one fairly common chemical, which though it was rather
benign required me to fill out an intent of use form, which I doubt I ever filled out. They took the money for the entire order and sent only a few
empty glass bottles. Not even any other glassware. I took a closer look at their website a while later and somewhere I found a policy stating
something to the effect that if they for some reason cannot fill the order, the will still keep your money with no possibility of a refund. I assmune
they still state that somewhere in the fine print to keep it legal, which means your pleas to the FTC or BBB may be in vain. But what do I know, I'm
no lawyer. I hope you have better luck getting a refund than I have.
\"They who can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.\"
-- Benjamin Franklin
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Sauron
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Policy state,emt policy shtatement, what they did is criminal fraud. They can't hide behind terms and conditions while delivering empty bottles. And
that does not even address the glassware never shipped at all.
Clearly sciencelab.com are cheap crooks, gonifs, of the worst sort. Avoid them like the plague, brethren.
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I suggest the formation of a website for stratetic public participation wherein you tell your story and others get to share their experiences.
Set it up with the proper meta-tags (meaning whenever sciencelab shows up in a separate search box in yahoo when you do a search for a chemical, add
that as a meta tag) and submit it to all the search engines.
That would be how you hurt them... once you get enough complaints and the website grows and gets more traffic it will cost them $$$$$$ in lost sales.
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And then they just change their name (domain name) and go right on ripping people off.
Costs them virtually nothing. A $15 domain and a little html work.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LoKi
I ordered from them a couple years ago. I believe the order consisted of some glassware, and one fairly common chemical, which though it was rather
benign required me to fill out an intent of use form, which I doubt I ever filled out. They took the money for the entire order and sent only a few
empty glass bottles. Not even any other glassware. I took a closer look at their website a while later and somewhere I found a policy stating
something to the effect that if they for some reason cannot fill the order, the will still keep your money with no possibility of a refund. I assmune
they still state that somewhere in the fine print to keep it legal, which means your pleas to the FTC or BBB may be in vain. But what do I know, I'm
no lawyer. I hope you have better luck getting a refund than I have. |
I was thinking about ordering from them, but I decided to look at their police’s first to see if I had to be a school or business to order... I'm
glade I did because my jaw dropped when I read this:
| Quote: | Sciencelab.com
If product is in stock and shipping is denied by any or all-regulatory departments customer will be out product and fees no less than $35.00 and not
to exceed 50% of Sciencelab.com, Inc. published price. If product is considered a special order item as defined by Sciencelab.com's Policy on Special
Orders and shipping is denied by any or all-regulatory departments customer will be out all product costs as published on Sciencelab.com, Inc.
website. |
Go to their site to read the rest of the "REGULATORY COMPLIANCE" section on their policies page.
I think I'll stick to eBay.
-Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by alancj
| Quote: | Sciencelab.com
If product is in stock and shipping is denied by any or all-regulatory departments customer will be out product and fees no less than $35.00 and not
to exceed 50% of Sciencelab.com, Inc. published price. If product is considered a special order item as defined by Sciencelab.com's Policy on Special
Orders and shipping is denied by any or all-regulatory departments customer will be out all product costs as published on Sciencelab.com, Inc.
website. |
Go to their site to read the rest of the "REGULATORY COMPLIANCE" section on their policies page.
I think I'll stick to eBay.
-Alan |
I doubt if it is legal to make such conditions. They should at least inform customers what exactly was the reason of canceling orders. Otherwise there
is no way for customers to know if there was any other reason than just wish to stole their money. Not answering emails systematically is also bad
stile if not against the law.
It seems that this kind of rather uncommon order canceling policy is how they actually make their money.
[Edited on 21-4-2007 by chromium]
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