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woelen
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I understand, even the most eager 3 letter agency will not worry about 30 mg of iodine 
It becomes a totally different matter when you order 30 g. It's just a matter of time and not a question whether they arrive or not but a question
when they arrive 
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GreenD
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Quote: Originally posted by woelen  | I understand, even the most eager 3 letter agency will not worry about 30 mg of iodine
It becomes a totally different matter when you order 30 g. It's just a matter of time and not a question whether they arrive or not but a question
when they arrive |
Someone should try it. Get a friend to buy 30g iodine from ebay. See what happens. Pay him double so s/he does it 
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entropy51
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| Quote: Originally posted by GreenD | | Someone should try it. Get a friend to buy 30g iodine from ebay. See what happens. Pay him double so s/he does it |
With a friend like you, who needs enemies?
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| Quote: Originally posted by GreenD |
Someone should try it. Get a friend to buy 30g iodine from ebay. See what happens. Pay him double so s/he does it |
someone get this kid a spanking ...
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S.C. Wack
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November 15, 2013 at 12:15 AM
Federal Drug Enforcement Administration and FBI agents swarmed into the Jersey City Heights today, arresting a pharmacist on drug production charges
and then discovering a large cache of weapons, ammunition and acid at a storage facility at the Tonnelle Circle, officials said.
Jordan Gonzalez, 33, formerly of Jersey City and now of New York, was arrested after law enforcement agents descended on a Bleecker Street building
early this morning, New Jersey U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman announced today.
He is charged with attempting to manufacture methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) and possession of chemicals and materials to manufacture a controlled
substance, officials said.
Later, federal agents moved to the U-Haul on Tonnelle Avenue, where a large amount the weapons, ammunition and acid was found, according to two city
officials. Information was not immediately available from federal officials on the items found at the U-Haul or if the discovery had led to additional
charges being filed or additional arrests.
Federal officials said additional warrants were being served in both New Jersey and New York in connection with the investigation.
Gonzalez used an online auction site, believed to be eBay, to purchase materials associated with the manufacture of the hallucinogen as well as
various chemicals, flasks and empty gel caps and a machine to fill them, according to the complaint. The U.S. Attorney's Offices confirmed Gonzalez
went by the eBay user name "j0r62n."
Gonzalez allegedly conducted internet research on the manufacture of MDA, the complaint says.
FBI agents and Jersey City police sealed off the area in front of 8 Bleecker St. between Summit and Central avenues for further investigation after
arresting Gonzalez around 12:30 a.m. today, an eyewitness said.
They evacuated the building, as well as an adjacent building on Central Avenue, with federal authorities saying it was due to the potential danger
from chemicals that might be found there.
Jersey City police spokesman Bob McHugh said residents of the Central Avenue building were allowed to return home at about 5 p.m. but the Bleecker
Street building is still occupied by investigators tonight.
Juliana Medina, 23, who has lived at 447 Central Ave. for the past year, said she was told she couldn't return to her home, the building that sits
adjacent to the site being investigated. At least two neighborhood buildings were evacuated by police as a precautionary measure.
“This has never happened before in this neighborhood,” Medina said, “This is a quiet area.”
Medina said she received a call this morning to pick up her daughter at a nearby daycare and has been waiting outside her building since 8:30 a.m.
Yellow police caution tape lines one side of Central Avenue stretching from South Street to past Bleecker Street.
Several sources said that when officials first responded to Bleecker Street, investigators were looking into suspicions involving the chemical or
biological warfare agent ricin. Federal officials would not confirm that and said they had no information to release on the matter. The charges do no
reflect the discovery of ricin.
In addition to officials from the FBI and local police, agents from the DEA, bomb squad and Jersey City Fire dDpartment remain on the scene along with
ambulances from Jersey City Medical Center.
Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop was at the scene earlier today and was briefed by police and the FBI.
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A New Jersey pharmacist has been charged and arrested for possession of materials to create illegal drugs. Last Thursday, the street of Jordan
Gonzalez’s pharmaceutical office was filled with DEA, FBI, Jersey City police, and county sheriffs.
Lori Sender, a pharmacist working across the street from Gonzalez’s office witnessed the chaos. “I think the reason there was so many DEA agents
over there and FBI is the potential for any kind of explosion,” she said.
Gonzalez came under suspicion due to the combination of purchases he made on the same account on eBay.com. He purchased sassafras oil, mercuruous
fluoride, methylamine hydrochloride, 3 neck round bottom glasses, 1,000 empty gelatin capsules, and a capsule filling machine. These purchases are all
used in the production of illegal drugs.
Many think there should be a closer eye on pharmacists since pharmacists are usually at the center of drug distribution because their profession gives
them easy access to these chemicals.
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THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Thursday, May 29, 2014, 4:15 PM
NEWARK, N.J. — A New York City pharmacist arrested on drug-related charges admitted in federal court that he had been trying to make weapons-grade
ricin and other lethal toxins and had acquired weapons, body armor and manuals on violent confrontation, federal authorities said Thursday.
Jordan Gonzalez pleaded guilty Thursday morning in a federal courtroom in Trenton, New Jersey, to knowingly attempting to develop, produce and possess
toxins and to possessing equipment for producing illegal narcotics.
U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey, Paul Fishman, said the 34-year-old Gonzalez admitted he had been assembling equipment and materials to
produce ricin, abrin and other toxins at his apartments in Jersey City and Manhattan. Gonzalez also obtained weapons, ammunition, body armor and
survivalist-themed manuals.
“We all have seen the devastation possible when these behaviors go unchecked,” Fishman said. “With today’s guilty plea, Jordan Gonzalez will
face justice and will not be a threat to society.”
Gonzalez admitted in court Thursday that he had acquired the materials in anticipation of “using them in confrontations with other people in the
future,” according to the U.S. attorney’s office.
The pharmacist was initially charged by federal authorities in New Jersey with trying to manufacture a controlled substance after authorities found he
had made a series of purchases through an online auction of materials associated with the hallucinogen known as MDA.
He was arrested on November 14, 2013, in Jersey City and federal agents searched three locations he was using; a Jersey City storage unit and
Gonzalez’s apartments in Jersey City and New York City. Court papers show the searches turned up thousands of seeds containing ricin and abrin,
materials to extract and administer those toxins, and explosive precursor chemicals, including materials for making RDX, an explosive compound used in
military and commercial demolition applications.
Authorities also found manuals on extracting ricin from seeds, guides for synthesizing explosives and making destructive devices, and numerous books
and documents related to the collapse of social order and techniques for surviving in a lawless environment, according to court papers. Federal agents
also found approximately 1,000 rounds of ammunition, handguns, components for assault rifles and submachine guns, high capacity magazines, a
bulletproof vest and a crossbow pistol. Gonzalez also had materials and training manuals for synthesizing controlled substances.
Fishman credited the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Drug Enforcement Administration, and the cooperation between federal and local law
enforcement agencies, for detecting and disrupting Gonzalez’s activities.
Gonzalez could face up to life in prison at his Sept. 17 sentencing.
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sbreheny
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huh? I've purchased about 150g of Iodine on eBay. Not all at once, but in 50g batches. No problems so far (thank God). Are you exaggerating or
serious?
There are presently several sellers of Iodine on eBay who have been there for months and sold quite a bit of it. If there were real trouble, I'd
expect that they would have been kicked off by now.
| Quote: Originally posted by woelen | I understand, even the most eager 3 letter agency will not worry about 30 mg of iodine
It becomes a totally different matter when you order 30 g. It's just a matter of time and not a question whether they arrive or not but a question
when they arrive |
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woelen
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My excuses for not being very clear and stirring up fear among other members. I did not mean to be serious because GreenD also could not be taken
seriously with his 30 mg purchase (hence the smileys), but unfortunately on a forum misinterpretation is easy.
So, I would not worry very much about your iodine purchases. It is the total behavior which may lead to a visit or not. It is the combination of
information (purchased, presence on certain forums, other evidences, e.g. from the neighbourhood, how you behaved in the past) which may lead to a
visit.
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Fantasma4500
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if the website you visit (fx ebay.com/bla bla bla saffrole) contains what they are looking for or has somehow been put under 'chemicals' listing and
perhaps precursor listing then they will note it down, if you buy from a private seller that doesnt note anything down and you dont look at specific
chemicals, like you put 500g benzyl cyanide in your 'basket' then they will have to go through entire conversations with the person, and first have to
know its a seller
not to mean that they dont save everything you do on the internet, they just cant always be arsed to look it all through
the entire war on drugs is entirely over-exaggerated, terrorizing many nations to make sure some people dont make profit
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The war on drugs was an honest attempt to save the populace, though it was probably not constitutional and set a bad precedent. Nowadays, I wouldn't
trust the bureaucrats who administer the law (since it is already a passed law it isn't run by congress but by C-student tsars) to actually care
enough for the well being of the country to not take advantage of the enormous power it offers. One thing to remember with anti-crime measures, big
government generally doesn't like competition, so they outlaw those private sectors that compete.
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A recent study found that in states that allow medical marijuana deaths due to prescription drug overdose are down 25%.
All the "wars" are about one thing, making money.
If you give a person the choice between making money and doing the right thing, most will figure out a way to justify that making the money was the
right thing.
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| Quote: Originally posted by roXefeller | | ...One thing to remember with anti-crime measures, big government generally doesn't like competition, so they outlaw those private sectors that
compete. |
This going off further off on a political deviation - but it is also important to remember that private sectors don't like to compete, and prefer to
create monopolies and cartels that provide inflated, safe profits; and prefer to bribe legislators to turn over government functions to private
business, rent-seek through special legislative protection (copyright law extensions anyone?), and shut down public options that might hold down
revenues.
[Edited on 29-8-2014 by careysub]
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Insane.
It's All gone Insane.
Before chemistry existed, were there any Approved, Fully Trained Chemists ? No.
Maybe a few Alchemists the Gentry Approved of ...
Limiting/Prohibiting Amateur experimentation ensures that Progress, Understanding and Development will eventually cease in the countries that choose
to quash amateur chemistry.
We arrived at this level of Knowledge mostly by the efforts of Amateurs.
Not just Chemistry. Radio telecoms is where it is thanks to amateurs too.
'Professional' simply means they get paid each time they do anything. whether it works or not.
'Amateur' signifies that they are interested enough in the subject that money is not the only reason they do it.
I'll take the word of a long-term Amateur over a Professional any day.
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1-phenyl-2-nitropropene
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291353241689
http://www.ebay.com/usr/jelenaze2012
Are they serious??? Yeah, eBay has to be one BIG honeypot. The feds would be stupid not be watching these listings intimately.
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