Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: Free cyanide and complexed cyanide?
David1205754
Harmless
*




Posts: 10
Registered: 6-6-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 19-7-2007 at 19:21
Free cyanide and complexed cyanide?


Could anyone tell me the difference between free cyanide and complexed cyanide? What is the total cyanide and amenable cyanide?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
dedalus
Hazard to Self
**




Posts: 60
Registered: 13-4-2007
Location: New York
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 20-7-2007 at 04:12


"Free" cyanide is a rather unscientific term that generally means cyanide that shows up in a silver nitrate titration.

Total cyanide is determined by doing a cyanide "distillation." The sample is boiled with sulfuric acid, the water vapor recondensed, while a stream of air is drawn through the boiler. This air is passed through a sparger containing NaOH solution. Any cyanide present is turned into hydrogen cyanide, which dissolves in the sparger fluid, becoming sodium cyanide. This fluid is analyzed for cyanide at the end of a one hour reflux period by titration or colorimetry.

Amenable cyanide, or cyanide amenable to chlorination, is the cyanide that is destroyed by chlorination with calcium hypochlorite at pH 11, where the free chlorine residual is maintained for 1 hour. Included are salts of all the alkali and alkaline earth metals, plus those with zinc, cadmium, and copper. Not included: cyanide complexes with nickel, iron, cobalt, and gold.

Why, do you have some? Removing non-amenable cyanide from wastewater is a specialty of mine. I have a process for treating really strong cyanide wastes, take a look at
http://www.dedalusenviro.com/cyanide2.html
if you're interested.

[Edited on 20-7-2007 by dedalus]
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
David1205754
Harmless
*




Posts: 10
Registered: 6-6-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 22-7-2007 at 21:40


Thnaks for your explanation.
one further question regarding the free cyanide and reactive cyanide. How could I detect it by qualitative and quantitative way?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
dedalus
Hazard to Self
**




Posts: 60
Registered: 13-4-2007
Location: New York
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 22-8-2007 at 03:25


Not sure how involved you want to get.

Macro method, good down to about 50 mg/l, in distillates or pure "free" cyanide solutions, is silver nitrate titration, 0.0192 N, using N,N dimethylbenzalrhodanine indicator. Similar, though less sensitive, is the 19th centrury vintage Liebig method - most frequently used for plating baths. This is titration with a 0.1 N AgNO3 solution, using potassium or sodium iodide as indicator. The yellowish turbidity of precipitated AgI is the endpoint.

For trace level, there are Hach "Cyaniver" 3, 4, and 5 reagent pillows. You can also, if you want to get that involved, make pyridine/barbituric acid reagent, phosphate buffer, and Chloramine 'T', and do it the way I used to, when I worked for a certified laboratory.

The "real" way to do it - the distillation is required. There are all kinds of half-assed spot tests using ferrous sulfate, or ferric chloride, and looking for Prussian Blue formation. These have their place, but there are many interferences and they are not at all reliable.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Ozone
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1269
Registered: 28-7-2005
Location: Good Olde USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Integrated

[*] posted on 22-8-2007 at 19:11


This should help.

Cheers,

O3

Attachment: EPA 335.4.pdf (198kB)
This file has been downloaded 917 times





-Anyone who never made a mistake never tried anything new.
--Albert Einstein
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Ozone
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1269
Registered: 28-7-2005
Location: Good Olde USA
Member Is Offline

Mood: Integrated

[*] posted on 22-8-2007 at 19:13


The method for ammenable CN is attached.

O3

Attachment: EPA 335.1.pdf (16kB)
This file has been downloaded 817 times





-Anyone who never made a mistake never tried anything new.
--Albert Einstein
View user's profile View All Posts By User
David1205
Harmless
*




Posts: 1
Registered: 7-10-2007
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 7-10-2007 at 21:39


Dear All,
How about the "reactive cyanide"? Could we use the same analytical method to test? or different way to define?Thanks!!!
View user's profile View All Posts By User

  Go To Top