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evil_lurker
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Feeling like a kid in a candy store... I'm officially in biz.
My corporate documents have arrived and I am officially in business.
Questions:
Where can I get cheap reagent bottles and hazmat shippers?
What initial 20 reagents should I get?
(remember no phosphorus, iodine or any of that other list I stuff)
Any special requests?
Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in
beer.
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Phosphor-ing
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Congratulations!
Lots of great ideas on that 20 reagents here
I will be happy to do business with you. What's your company/corporate name?
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I guess it really all depends on what you want to do according to your business plan.
personally I`de go for the basics like Mineral acids, bases, PH indicators, and other test indicators.
that would easily do you 1`st 20, and will always come in handy at some time or another 
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Nice going, evil. I know it has been a long haul for you to get to this point.
Will you have a website to advertise your wares? Will you be carrying some of the more exotic reagents such as KCN, KF, thionyl chloride, acetic
anyhdride, etc?
What do you anticipate charging for hazmat fees? Is there a particular niche customer that you are targeting or does anything go, as long as it is
legal, of course. 
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evil_lurker
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Yes I will have a website. The name of my business will be disclosed as soon as the domain name gets registered (no cyber squatters!)
Yeah I will probably be offering some more exotic things like anhydrous ether, KCN, NaCN, and Acetic Anhydride. But thionyl chloride will probably be
a stretch. I will have to talk to an attorney before selling exotic reagents. If they are being sold to private individuals, there will probably have
to be some ID required, intended use statements filled out, and voluntary restrictions on maximun quantities per transaction and year just to avoid
legal complications. They will also not be cheap. More potential liability and legal hooplah = more cost.
On the mineral acids and other liquid chemicals, I'm going to try and create a return and refill program. Qorpak makes some nice foam bottle mailers
with the reagent bottles having PTFE liners and being PVC coated (they hold bromine very well!). Expensive, but complies with DOT guidelines for UN PG
II and III. Basically the customer would buy the bottles and mailer up front, and the contents would be seperate (same cost as a refill). When its
time to purchase more reagents, the customer can send back the empty bottles in the mailer at a cost of about $10 UPS, or a little less USPS, the
bottles would be refilled, shipped back out, and automatically billed to the customer via paypal or credit card.
This has several advantages for both my business and the customer. The first is that I would not have to maintain a large stock of boxes, packaging
peanuts, absorbents, and empty reagent bottles. The customer would benefit by my business being able to pass the savings on... I'm pretty sure I could
swing around $10 per L on refills for most any common mineral acid on refills since I'm not out the cost of packaging.
My customer base is primarily non-intsitutionalized individuals such as hobbyists, students, and those looking to start up their own business but
don't want or can't afford the red tape.
I'm going to carry complete turn-key distillation sets, and associated vaccum equipment such as hoses, aspirators, and chillers. I got some sweet
locking acetal connectors with automatic shutoff coming... basically they let you hook your hoses onto the condensor and leave them there. Complete
aspirator recirculation stations.
Other stuff is going to be ethanol stills, perhaps some of those RO machines, enzymes, yeasts, and keg conversion fittings. Biodiesel products such as
lye, titration and testing equipment, magnesol for waterless soap removal, so on and so forth.
And lastly, electrolysis equipment such as platinized titanium electrodes for perchlorate manufacturing, power supply conversion boxes ( simply plug
and play), electroless nickel plating, and other small scale plating equipment.
Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in
beer.
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MadHatter
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Oxidizers And Fuels
Will you be offering these ? Future CPSC restrictions and/or limitations will be hampering
these much sought after chemicals. Before the regs kick in full force, I'm certain that
some members would consider your assistance to be extremely valuable for
these compounds.
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pantone159
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I'll submit a request for 1,3-propanediol. There is some new industrial fermentation plant dedicated to making this stuff.
http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/500722
It probably isn't something you would sell in large volume, however.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by evil_lurker
power supply conversion boxes ( simply plug and play), . |
lol I also had the idea of marketing these a while ago, if you get into having these and they have voltage/current regulation, let me know.
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evil_lurker
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MadHatter
Will you be offering these ? Future CPSC restrictions and/or limitations will be hampering
these much sought after chemicals. Before the regs kick in full force, I'm certain that
some members would consider your assistance to be extremely valuable for
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Yes and no.
Some chemicals such as KNO3, ammonium nitrate and sulfur will be sold. Other such as potassium perchlorate and powdered metals will not.
My personal opinion, not that it matters before a federal judge, is that Firefox and Skylighter have made several critial mistakes in defending the
lawsuit, the biggest one was trying to challenge jurisdictional issues.
I believe that the CPSC regulations violate the US constitional amendments concerning due process and equal protection.
Nitrates are used as agricultural chemicals, along with sulfur. Imposing a sales restriction of one pound per year of these materials would violate
the amendments as it would selectively restrict the distribution of these chemicals... i.e. my business can only sell 1 pound per year to those who do
not have BATF licenses, but the local farm supply down the road can sell tons to anyone.
Magnesium and aluminum powders would probably not fly, because there is really no other practical use (there is but, ya know), same with chlorates and
perchlorates. However, magnesium and aluminum ingots would be an exception, as there is a large market for magnesium sacrificial anodes and aluminum
is a building and tool and die material.
So I'm thinking that to comply with the law, I would have to require purchases to fill out a statement of intended use. Agricultural gets unlimited,
and pyro uses gets 1 pound per year, simple as that.
Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in
beer.
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I'd love to have a few pounds (like 10 to 50) of lump metallurgical grade silicon (~99%). Should be <$5/lb as I recall.
Tim
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chemkid
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what sort of quanities are you selling in?
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Well done, lurker! Sounds like you really know what you're doing.
In terms of chems, I'd like to see things that are harder to synth OTC; off the top of my head, NaBH4 and its cyano- and triacetoxy- derivatives would
be nice. Some metals that are hard to get (lithium, palladium, ruthenium)? Some high-quality chromatography packing material would be great.
But I'm a lot more excited about the equipment possibilities, like the high-quality electrochem and distillation components you mentioned. Sparkless
stirrers, blowers, vacuum pumps? I've also had trouble sourcing more exotic safety equipment (i.e. blast safety shields, glove boxes). Even for basic
supplies (filter paper, cleaning, TLC plates) it would be great not to have to go through a big supplier.
It seems problematic to maintain a stock of professional (i.e. expensive) equipment. Would you be willing to special order? There are things I'd be
willing to pay a commission for even above retail, that are hard to get unless you have that license.
Again, congrats, and good luck getting set up!
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Will you ship to canada, I'm looking for somebody who could sell me 10kg drum of CrO3 technical grade (90%+) I know that Anachemia have them for
around 385$CAD. Don't know if it's possible for you to act as a third party.
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You should take the advice above about mineral acids, also get NH4OH, Fe, Cu and Mn salts and solvents of the low polarity variety since there are
many polar solvents available at the hardware and paint stores. Formaldehye .. don't forget formaldehyde .. Br2 if you can get from somewhere nearby.
Teflon stopcockgrease ... indicators as mentioned ... can you get dry ice near you? Get NaBH4 and you can make the STAB and cyano versions from it
.. so get a lot! Might need LAH someday too .. may as well get it now before somebody at DEA starts to care...
[Edited on 26-7-2007 by chemrox]
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evil_lurker
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Well I've got an idea for a $50 dry ice maker... just need the CGA fittings.
And I'd like to carry DCM and all the neccessary equipment to make and refine diethyl ether such as sodium, benzophenone, BHT, peroxide test sticks,
aluminum bottles and complete ketyl stills.
Bromine kits since shipping is a nightmare and its easy to make in large quantities...
NaBH4 would be good if I could get about 10kg pretty cheap in bulk.
Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in
beer.
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Rosco Bodine
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| Quote: | Originally posted by evil_lurker
And lastly, electrolysis equipment such as platinized titanium electrodes for perchlorate manufacturing,power
supply conversion boxes ( simply plug and play), electroless nickel plating, and other small scale plating equipment.
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Interesting .......very interesting
Any hints as to who may have originated the prototype design ?
I was wondering if DerAlte has been busy lately with the soldering iron
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12AX7
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Hopefully not you, your design (see thread referred to) won't even work.
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Rosco Bodine
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Like you know .
Be specific , if that's not too much trouble .
You have a circuit drawing CAD ....
so how about editing / correcting what you say is wrong .
Show me what I missed ...where the logic doesn't square .
Or easier still , everything is part numbered , so just
name the path or components or logic where you see a problem .
And don't even claim you have already done that ,
not even close .
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=3885
I keep making this offer and you keep declining to be specific . If you have anything constructive to add ,
here's your engraved invitation .
[Edited on 28-7-2007 by Rosco Bodine]
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anotheronebitesthedust
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I need L-phenylacetylcarbinol
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evil_lurker
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I do too. 55 gallon drum should last me a couple weeks.
And oh what the fuck, while I'm at it throw in a 55 gallon drum of phenylacetone.
[Edited on 28-7-2007 by evil_lurker]
Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in
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Perhaps this might be a bit personal but what part of the world are you located in?
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anotheronebitesthedust
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methylamine hydrochloride please
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DMF would be nifty.
Department of Redundancy Department - Now with paperwork!
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evil_lurker
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I'm in the USA, land of government taxes, regulations, taxes and other red tape miles long and feet thick.
Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in
beer.
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pantone159
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I like the acid/solvent refill idea, I would use that. A good selection of mineral acids and solvents would be nice. They are becoming annoying to
get (many places won't sell them to individuals.) I second the NaBH4 suggestion. KI/NaI at good prices. MTBE/t-butyl methyl ether. And, still, 1,3
propanediol, which should be useful for oscillating reactions.
Your planned equipment list sounds interesting, I still haven't done any electrolysis stuff, and it would be easier to try if I didn't have to make
all the equipment myself. I'd also be interested in TLC plates, spotters, and melting point capillaries. I haven't been able to find those yet.
I can't wait to see your new store!
[Edited on 29-7-2007 by pantone159]
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