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[*] posted on 29-7-2007 at 22:17


@Rosco: you wrote :
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Any hints as to who may have originated the prototype design ?

I was wondering if DerAlte has been busy lately with the soldering iron


The last time DerAlte plied a soldering gun, apart from household chores, was probably 1978 when I designed and made a switching 10KV low current supply for an image intensifier driven off a 9v battery. (astronony was my hobby then, inter alia)…

What DerAlte has been up to is attempting to improve the yield of permanganate (see permanganate thread). Report due soon. Also, I have some rare earth stuff waiting attention once I can get this permanganate crap out of my system…

Question: is this evil_lurker for real? Dreaming? On Lsd? He certainly seems to fit the title of this forum. I assume his new company is called Madness Inc.

Sorry to off topic. Is there a topic?

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DerAlte.

EDIT by Davster ( I fixed the quote for you, you just used a } bracket on the endquote code instead of a ] )

[Edited on 30-7-2007 by The_Davster]
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[*] posted on 29-7-2007 at 22:19


One of these days I'll get this quote thing straight!
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[*] posted on 30-7-2007 at 08:18


@DerAlte

When mention was made of a "plug and play" power supply adapter for a computer PS .... I figured somebody
probably had successfully prototyped a design like the one I proposed or some variant on it . And I supposed
there was likely a small group here that might be responsible for that little gem of technology , probably
me , and you , and Twospoons ....not to mention any names :P

For my next project I am going to do something simple
like those automatically darkening sunglasses , but they will be dynamic range enhanced with a photomultiplier stage , and have an abstract concept visualization interpreter / logic analyzer direct brain interface with supplemental computing power ....so that challenged folks like 12AX7 can better cope in a world where help is needed in shedding a little light on a subject they have difficulty processing :D It's the whole intellectual prepubescence thing . Figure a set of "terminator glasses" might work like one of those Fischer- Price
"see and say" learning tools for mental toddlers :P
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[*] posted on 30-7-2007 at 13:58


Rosco,

For fuck's sake, the only difference between myself and a bona fide Electrical Engineer is a stupid piece of paper. And in three more years, that excuse won't even remain. I have designed and built things -- and can explain them in excruciating detail from very deep first principles -- that are well beyond anything you have shown the capacity to produce yourself.

So stop taking it personally and learn to accept that your circuit sucks.

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[*] posted on 30-7-2007 at 14:50


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Rosco,

For fuck's sake, the only difference between myself and a bona fide Electrical Engineer is a stupid piece of paper.


If engineering was the special olympics , you would be a real contender .


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And in three more years, that excuse won't even remain.


Come back and see me in three more years , if this tired old set of bones is still around . Or better yet , take the schematic to your professor , one of those folks who has EARNED that "stupid piece of paper" .....and give him the
URL for the thread to offer constructive criticism that is specific and detailed , instead of your load of shuck and jive bullshit . Make it a class project maybe , or even ask one
of the other students for help .

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I have designed and built things -- and can explain them in excruciating detail from very deep first principles -- that are well beyond anything you have shown the capacity to produce yourself.


Big woop ! Is hardware logic one of those very deep first principles or haven't you guys gotten to Boolean logic and truth tables yet ? If you see a problem , then specify the components and name the path or else STFU about it .

BTW , This is the kind of stuff I am talking about , look familiar ????



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So stop taking it personally and learn to accept that your circuit sucks.

Tim


What sucks is people not being specific , but making sweeping generalities and saying just "trust me" there
is some basis simply because they say so , even though
there is a problem "pinning the tail on the donkey" .....
and that's what this game has become . So you blow up the schematic as large as a wall if you need to do that , and you take your highlighter and label the components and paths ,
and PROVE how smart you are right here with *specific* constructive criticism . Because all your mouth otherwise isn't worth a shit . And on top of that it is highly rude and irritating .

[Edited on 30-7-2007 by Rosco Bodine]
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[*] posted on 30-7-2007 at 15:50


Can we get back to talking about evil_lurker's impending business? Thanks.
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[*] posted on 30-7-2007 at 19:27


Well today I managed to aquire a corporate checking account and tried landing an account with one of the "big boys".

Let me tell you, from what I have seen, chemical distributors in the USA are A-N-A-L. Its almost like they don't want to sell you chemicals and look for any excuse NOT to sell you them. Fuckers. Guess I'm gonna have to work on my cock and bullshit stories and make up some great degree from some far away university.

It doesn't help that I'm completely new at the whole business thing... I feel like I'm a virgin again trying to get laid for the first time.

Anyways, they got this program called NACD, which stands for National Association of Chemical Distributors which promotes "Responsible Distribution". The next meeting is in Sept, and you can bet my happy ass will be there to hobnob and get some contacts. Perhaps I can find a supplier there who would be willing to work with me on some things.




Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital ingredient in beer.
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[*] posted on 30-7-2007 at 20:20


the trick to any job/trade is to make it seem like you know what you're doing --- if they ask for references to get an account just put down some taiwanese chemical company where they don't even speak english, or just make up some bogus companies, it only costs like $30 nowadays to set up websites.

i'm always hearing about conmen who don't even need to steal people's money, they actually talk people into giving it to them. Investment conmen, real estate conmen, the simplicity involved in it all is amazing. It's all about acting like you know what you're doing no matter what it is you're doing. And it's not just conmen, even my bosses at work walk around like they're infallible. It's the art of bullshitting and it's a good way to succeed in today's world.
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[*] posted on 31-7-2007 at 13:50


The secret of human interaction: people will think of you what you make them think. Tone of voice, body language, confidence, etc. Want an example? Dress down, walk around looking at your shoes and when spoken to, speak in a quiet voice (to strangers, since people who know you will obviously tell the difference). Contrast this to walking around in sharp colors, or a suit, or something to that effect, standing tall, and projecting your voice and ideas confidently. And yeah, when necessary, kissing ass.

Personally, honesty has done me pretty well, for which it helps that the people I work with are similarly honest (I don't have a stereotypical boss, lucky me).

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[*] posted on 31-7-2007 at 18:09


Well, what part of the U.S are you located? I was actually hoping you would specify that since I assumed you were in the U.S anyway.
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[*] posted on 1-8-2007 at 09:46


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Well today I managed to aquire a corporate checking account and tried landing an account with one of the "big boys".

Let me tell you, from what I have seen, chemical distributors in the USA are A-N-A-L. Its almost like they don't want to sell you chemicals and look for any excuse NOT to sell you them. Fuckers. Guess I'm gonna have to work on my cock and bullshit stories and make up some great degree from some far away university.


That sucks, but I can't say I'm surprised. Sounds like a ridiculous industry the further you move up the distribution chain.

But surely you haven't exhausted all your options? I've seen so many distributors that only require that you be a business, or even just have a business address. Even if you aren't buying from the top of the chain, you should still be able to find enough merchandise to start up. You're catering to a niche market with very few competitors, and even if you aren't offering the best prices you're still going to have lots of business.

And wouldn't actually having a business, with website and infrastructure already in place, go a long way toward proving your credibility?
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[*] posted on 1-8-2007 at 16:34


Incorporating isn't enough. For example if you want o open a business to sell motorcycle parts you need a store front in order to buy at wholesale. Just becoming an LLC isn't enough. There are plenty of suppliers that will sell to you and will consider you to be in the sub-market. You will pay more (probably not much less than what hobbyists are paying) until you establish yourself.

You will also be under HEAVY scrutiny by your local government. I don't mean the police - unless you start selling precursors. You will need a location to store the chemicals, insurance to protect you and those living near your place of business. If you don't you'll eventually get the living shit fined out of you and you won't be able to afford your internet connection.

Having a website isn't enough for some suppliers - they want a store front.

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[*] posted on 1-8-2007 at 16:53


I got an open account some years ago with VWR by making friends with their regional sales representative.

Try a face to face meeting with the local chemical distributors
general manager and explain to him how you are just starting out and need to establish supply contacts. Offer to pay up front.

This approach always worked for me when the sales rep or manager calls the head office credit dept. and says, give this guy an account.

I assume you have your resales tax license number as that is the first thing they need when selling wholesale at the 1/2% GET rate.
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[*] posted on 8-8-2007 at 06:22


Hey, if you need web design, I can help there.



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[*] posted on 8-8-2007 at 13:48


Dude, most definatly need web design help. PM me.



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[*] posted on 8-8-2007 at 14:47


Have you opened the chemical import can of worms yet?
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[*] posted on 8-8-2007 at 15:14


By god, if I knew anything about importation of chems, I'd tell all the suppliers and their NACD to kiss my white hairy ass.



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[*] posted on 8-8-2007 at 17:52


Put me down for HNO3 and H2SO4! :D
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[*] posted on 8-8-2007 at 21:03


what's so hard about importing chems? can't you just pay a customs broker to handle it. keep all your paperwork in order and make sure you have any necessary licenses.
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[*] posted on 21-4-2008 at 19:06


Can you get me some 2,5-Dimethoxytetrahydrofuran? Please
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[*] posted on 22-4-2008 at 11:51


I read thru this thread last night, and noticed the posts abruptly stopped in August of last year. I only saw the thread because it was bumped by a 2,5-DMTHF request. What ever happened? Did you end up announcing a startup in another thread?
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[*] posted on 22-4-2008 at 19:31


evel lurker.

It is good to see that some one is doing it for himself i have been down this path and i no what you mean about not being helpfull. This is because they see you as competion and not as a client if they treat you like that you are proberly not getting the goods first hand i suggest you look for other suppliers. The chemical industry is big business and you will have a lot of cut throught things happening as they see to drive you out of the market that is why you need to get things first hand.
Also if you have the ability you could do what i done and manufacture your own products which would involve prepairing your own MSDS and classifying your own products
then you would have your own product with your lable and idenity and you could start marketing your own product which would not be like anyone elses .


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[*] posted on 23-4-2008 at 01:50


NINHYDRIN

THF (stabilised)

Et2O (stabilised)

Bn2O (stabilised)

CaO

Na2O

P2O5

3A, 4A & 5A Sieves

Anion & Cation exchange resins

KBr

NaBr

CaF2

Nickel Salts

Al Powder

TfOH (Not likely - the metal salts might be an option but)

CF3CO2H

CCl3CO2H

Isonicotinic amide

If you get even some of these I'll come a'knockin... The chances of getting customs clearance sorta limits the options but.




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[*] posted on 28-4-2008 at 22:09


mr lurker I may have some advice on getting started. the chem industry is about having
references just like renting a house. the advice to setup fake accounts and such
is all fine for us bee's but not for you.

the best thing I can advise is to get a theme and a second trade name.
use this second trade name to buy under the theme from the big chemical guys.
this way the parent company also gets to have the references as well.
the parent company has no theme and will eventualy be a open chemical company.

ie....

lurker chemicals is parent company

lurker pottery is child trade name.

buy and get known by a few pottery chem suppliers then
go to the big boys just for the pottery stuff using the refs from the pottery suppliers.


then when going for more interesting substances use the refs from lurker pottery
but use lurker chemicals to purchase.

this way if you are checked up it is all clean and you can not get done for diversion.

it has been mine and many others experiance that getting the stuff is easy but explaining it is much harder. hence why I push for otc methods id rather make it than
explain it.

photography and electroplating are usefull themes as well.




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