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 Quote: Originally posted by tumadre This shit fucking pisses me off enough to do something sinister about it. Is that a radical thought or is that now criminal?

[Edited on 5-1-2013 by grndpndr]

No lawyer but I thought if any 2 folks contemplated a "sinister act" it was a conspiracy?
Speaking of crazy,Al Gore,inventor of the internet and discoverer of global warming allegedly sold his 20% share of a failing cable TV station worth some $100 million timed of course to avoid his "fair share" in Obamacrat taxes to Al Jazeera TV, AKA Hamas/ Al quaida why quibble over names/ideology and far right muslim religious sects among friends? Vaquely treasonous it would seem to me.US based Al Jazeera TV terror recruitment on US soil.Surely not treasonous of a former VP and POTUS candidate, its just buisiness!! Another little animal lover news Joy to brighten your day as well as a confidence booster of our elected officials and the electorate who actually voted this braintrust into office. Colorado Congresswoman Diana Degette introduced legislation in the great state of Colorado to mandate that dogs wear personal flotation devices (Thats a lifejacket to you and me) around pools.Known as the 'Pet Care Facilities Act' or 'PACFA' its intended to stop the tragedy of a few dogs lost to pool drownings each year.Every dog lost to a sensless death is a tragedy!So Is the salary spent by the state of Colorado on a Brain trust like Congresswoman Degette.(Or Decline and fall of the USA) [Edited on 5-1-2013 by grndpndr] Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.It can only exist until the voters discover(and become comfortable with the idea) they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury...w/the result democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy,always followed by a dictatorship..(since it seems part of the socialism bargain involves a loss of civil rights chiefly1A-2A and thus the ability to resist)"they neglect thier chief burden which is to remain thier own masters." Alex de Tocqueville cyanureeves International Hazard Posts: 736 Registered: 29-8-2010 Location: Mars Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood This shit fucking pisses me off enough to do something sinister about it. Is that a radical thought or is that now criminal? no it is not crimminal maybe a sin,neither is being capable of,or most probable of committing a crime.i do think the NRA though should have some kind of disclaimer in guns and ammo type of magazines because these magazines mix weapons laws awareness along with commercial advertisements.sometimes it seems that publishers and the NRA are one and the same but they are not and it makes the NRA look like the marlboro man fighting for freedom of choice. i bet no true pyro or amateur chemist would ever hurt people. Wizzard National Hazard Posts: 337 Registered: 22-3-2010 Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood I get weird looks from ANYBODY I tell I am a chemist as a hobby, and I grow crystals. F8ck people and their opinions. We all respect eachother, and I get respect from people who do what I do as a hobby, as a profession. AndersHoveland Hazard to Other Members, due to repeated speculation and posting of untested highly dangerous procedures! Posts: 1986 Registered: 2-3-2011 Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood Society did not always have a paranoia of guns and explosives. I think the (irrational) fear began to take hold in the 1960's, and has continued to get worse. I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying lets remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out. franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3026 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood Candidates for Guantanamo Bay Naval Base detention camp. After all , Extraordinary Rendition is for use on domestic terrorists , the laws are in place , U.S. citizens are subject to the provisions , there is no exemption for financial terrorism. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/rescued-by-a-bailout-... http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/08/us-aig-lawsuit-gov... . [Edited on 8-1-2013 by franklyn] AndersHoveland Hazard to Other Members, due to repeated speculation and posting of untested highly dangerous procedures! Posts: 1986 Registered: 2-3-2011 Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood I just do not see why law-abiding citizens should have to sacrifice more of their freedoms so the government can deal with all the increasing problems in society. Why are there so many illegal drug labs, terrorism, youth gang violence, and shooting sprees today? Chemicals never used to be a problem in the past. Children had concentrated acids in their chemistry sets for many decades, and it was not uncommon for the instructional booklets included in the sets to even suggest a few novelty explosives. Why is that now, all of a sudden in the last few decades, all of that has to be taken away? [Edited on 8-1-2013 by AndersHoveland] jock88 International Hazard Posts: 505 Registered: 13-12-2012 Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood Most of the disappearing-of-freedoms is caused by the lowest profession in the land. ie. lawyers etc. Nickbb Harmless Posts: 25 Registered: 6-12-2012 Location: 3rd dimension Member Is Offline Mood: something other than a chemistry pun  Quote: Originally posted by AndersHoveland I just do not see why law-abiding citizens should have to sacrifice more of their freedoms so the government can deal with all the increasing problems in society. Why are there so many illegal drug labs, terrorism, youth gang violence, and shooting sprees today? Chemicals never used to be a problem in the past. Children had concentrated acids in their chemistry sets for many decades, and it was not uncommon for the instructional booklets included in the sets to even suggest a few novelty explosives. Why is that now, all of a sudden in the last few decades, all of that has to be taken away? [Edited on 8-1-2013 by AndersHoveland] I don't get it either. People who grew up as kids with chemistry kits with the kind of things you mentioned are still fine today. Why are they trying to eliminate everything they grew up with, when they are still fine? I think it is partly due to how scared people get now of 'potential side effects'; it's the same as if one car as a freak accident of the gas pedal getting stuck, they recall all ten million of that same car. It's the same with chemicals, "oh well two kids accidentally ate some kind of chemical and almost died", basically to the point where the word chemical has a negative connotation and everything has to be gotten rid of. I also believe that because everything that is dangerous to complete idiots has been taken away, kids really have nothing else to do that is good. Most kids now sit around playing video games or sadly experiment with drugs or form gangs, they start getting bad influences. And it also seems today that everyone has to be drugged up with a ton of medications to fix everything that is slightly wrong with them. I'm not surprised so many people are becoming sadistic psychopaths. elementcollector1 International Hazard Posts: 2684 Registered: 28-12-2011 Location: The Known Universe Member Is Offline Mood: Molten I'm thinking of moving out of the U.S., to be honest. It's just getting too crazy. Let's hear a shoutout from around the world - where's the best place for a home chemist to be right now? Elements Collected:52/87 Latest Acquired: Cl Next in Line: Nd watson.fawkes International Hazard Posts: 2793 Registered: 16-8-2008 Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood  Quote: Originally posted by elementcollector1 where's the best place for a home chemist to be right now? The best place is wherever you happen to be right now. Just get on with it. franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3026 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood If you see something , say something " a local Air National Guardsman called 911 after he saw two men acting suspiciously and avoiding eye contact." " Police observed the men failing to use a blinker when swerving , and after pulling the car over, determined they had suspicious bags and asked to search the vehicle." http://news.yahoo.com/did-hear-traffic-stop-made-niagara-fal... I think the president is also acting " suspiciously " , anyone think he can be subject to unreasonable search ? After all you can't be too careful these days , can you , just saying. . franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3026 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood The High Cost of Government Secrecy http://billmoyers.com/segment/glenn-greenwald-on-the-high-co... Top Secret America http://video.pbs.org/video/2117159594 Guy Fawkes the emblem of the present day anonymous movement who conspired in 1605 to blow up the British Parlaiment is viewed by many as “ the last man to enter Parliament with honest intentions ” . Rosco Bodine Banned Posts: 6370 Registered: 29-9-2004 Member Is Offline Mood: analytical elementcollector1 International Hazard Posts: 2684 Registered: 28-12-2011 Location: The Known Universe Member Is Offline Mood: Molten  Quote: Originally posted by franklyn Guy Fawkes ... is viewed by many as “ the last man to enter Parliament with honest intentions ” I'll admit, this was pretty funny. Should go in the joke thread in Whimsy. Elements Collected:52/87 Latest Acquired: Cl Next in Line: Nd Endimion17 International Hazard Posts: 1468 Registered: 17-7-2011 Location: shores of a solar sea Member Is Offline Mood: speeding through time at the rate of 1 second per second Holy shit, you people in USA actually descended into the realm of dystopian novels. http://news.yahoo.com/teenagers-social-media-terrorism-threa... The Methuen, Mass., high school student was arrested last week after posting online videos that show him rapping an original song that police say contained “disturbing verbiage” and reportedly mentioned the White House and the Boston Marathon bombing. He is charged with communicating terrorist threats, a state felony, and faces a potential 20 years in prison. Bail is set at$1 million.

Is anyone actually trying to stop this or you're all just enjoying the Auld Lang Syne with a glass of brandy while the freezing sea is climbing over the deck?

Guys, I'm sorry to inform you of this, but you're fucked.
Secret torture prisons abroad, indefinite detention without lawyers, slaying instead of arresting and trial, celebration of military sector, "everything for freedom and state", declining science, public health and education, arresting people because of their opinions, ...
That reminds me of Eastern Block and even my country, except there weren't any citizens celebrating that. People didn't say a word, they were scared shitless.

I'm truly amazed by this. It's kind of like watching a huge building on fire, or a cruiser sinking. An unbelieveable sight.
American domestic terrorism is going to rise because this is a positive feedback loop currently in order...

[Edited on 6-5-2013 by Endimion17]

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 Quote: Originally posted by Endimion17 That reminds me of Eastern Block and even my country,... [Edited on 6-5-2013 by Endimion17]

Yes, unfortunately the US is made up of homo sapiens just like in the other countries. The difference is that we have been telling everyone else that somehow we are different, "shining light on the hill," "last hope of man kind," etc. And for a long time everyone believed this.

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" If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever "

The above line is often quoted from George Orwell's novel '1984 ' published in 1948 .
If our self appointed protectors fullfill their goals , the North Korean model will seem
like disneyland.

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" The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded
upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and
self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy — everything."

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Free Press - Free Speech and "State Security" in conflict?

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U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder reviewed himself
and has cleared himself of any wrong doing.

http://news.yahoo.com/eric-holder-signed-off-fox-news-search...

You see , the thing is , if you snoop on what the government is up to ,
you're guilty of espionage.

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If you see something say something - how near sighted do you have to be.

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www.newscientist.com/article/dn12458-can-a-government-remote...

They're watching you
www.nature.com/news/2011/110527/full/news.2011.323.html

www.nature.com/news/2010/100526/full/465412a.html

Future Attribute Screening Technology (FAST) Project
www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_pia_st_fast.pdf

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Extreme Trolling

This is what ' civilization ' has regressed to , absent critical thought ,
blind obedience to asserted authority assures credulity incited dismay.
www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/telephone-terrorist

In the 1938 Mercury Theatre radio broadcast of The War of the Worlds
1.7 million believed it to be true , and 1.2 million were “genuinely frightened.”
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/me...

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Endimion17:

you mention domestic violence being bound to increase as part of a positive feedback loop.

Agreed.

And there is another sidebar to the "emerging American experience":

Racism. I'm 54 now, when I was a kid, I wasn't racist, my parents weren't racist, my siblings, nor anyone I knew were racist. It just did not matter. It didn't matter to the degree where no one even pondered why it didn't matter if that makes sense.

But after 50+ years of being told I'm a defacto racist because of the color of MY skin, I started to believe. I started to pay attention, and I came to learn that most violent crime was committed by a certain group, and although their percentage amongst the population was low, their aggregate crime surpassed all other groups combined. Not just surpassed, but significantly so.

I also learned that what most would call ancient history, can be used as a "valid" arguement for why this group is, by and large, incapable of success. Yes, what happened 150+ years ago is the reason for everything.

Nevermind that their own "brothers" where the ones "selling" them, nevermind that the ones not sold still dig in the dirt and scoop out the contents of decaying trees to find grubs for dinner, this 150+ year old "trade" is going to be used as the excuse, forevermore.

Nevermind how many other nations were involved in this "trade", it seems the US is the only one that seems willing and able to let the "trade" cow them into submission.

The other involved nations collectively said "you are free now, shut the fuck up, fit it, and make something of yourselves", but the US seems to have a problem with cold hard facts and the means of delivering them.

We are afraid to be "mean", we'd rather wring our hands, worry and frought over what we could do to help, we've even gone so far as to vote for and support government sponsored racism.

Yes, we in effect allowed legislation that can be interpreted as saying "We realize you are incapable, so we will FORCE every opportunity to provide for you, in the hope you can adapt".

The sidline to this is, it doesn't or hasn't worked, and being the type prone to self-delusion, we, instead of rethinking the wrong-headedness of it all, decide that the solution must be MORE of a bad thing in order to realize "the dream".

Now we have a product of affirmative action as President of our once great nation. A rabble-rouser of no true qualification whatsoever, this derelict has made the perpetuation of racism as his central platform.

He's made executive orders which tell our public school system to ignore the bad behavior of black children, and instead of telling them blacks must be promoted above their self-determined standing, the whites, asians, mexicans and other must be written up at increasing levels so as to mask the fact that blacks are doing most of the disrupting in class, etc...

In essence, the "order" is to lower the offense threashold for non-blacks, while raising it FOR blacks, so in the end it ends up looking like there is no problem group you can point any given finger at.

So, I didn't start out one, but after 5 decades of being told I must be a racist, I now agree, I am. I didn't seek to pay inordinate amounts of attention, I didn't seek for anyone to label, I didn't need to find out there were differences I needed to acknowledge and feel guilty about, but they won. I now am the racist they sought for me to be.

Sort of funny, when I was a kid, even my grandfather had black buddies at his favorite "watering hole", home ownership and 2 adult families were standard fare in that group, and racism was something no one ever talked about. Now it's all anyone ever talks about.

Way to go Obama! And for those who voted for him out of white guilt, I hope you realize, eventually, whites aren't the racists, the blacks are. Once you understand and embrace that, maybe then we can get back to how things were when I was a kid, when it simply did not matter and we had no cause to wonder if it even should matter.

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The progression of this topic has been toward something that has little to nothing to do with amateur science. Take it to another forum. [closed]

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