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Amateur Chemistry now vs several decades into the Future
So I thought I would add this
the other post was
Amateur Chemistry now vs several decades ago
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=95348
We got to be thinking about the future of amature chemistry
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Sulfuric acid will at least be available as 37% for old batteries. You can boil it down or distill it.
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As we move from physical to digital money, that can be traced/monitored/controlled,
it is likely that future amateur chemists will have to behave as 'cooks' and terrorists do nowadays - completely clandestine.
We could see a total change in society where chemistry and 'the dark side' are synonymous.
Or if just one amateur discovers something genuinely useful,
there could be a resurgence of experimentalism.
So let's get into our labs and discover something useful. 
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This entirely depends on your view of the future, Utopian? Dystopian? Apocalyptic? and how those scenarios arise (eg: revolution, government paranoia
[current trend], gamma ray burst, supervolcano, ww3 etc...).
The game always changes, but strangely remains the same. Old problems have new solutions and new problems old solutions. This is why I like SM, we
have people here who have the knowledge/skills to tackle any problem (with enough motivation).
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I want a matter replicator !
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I think the near future will give rise to more decentralized model of resource exchange, it already applies to money (Bitcoin), goods (OpenBazaar) and
sharing economy (AirBnb, Uber...). Hopefully, a free exchange between enthusiasts like us amateur experimentators chemists will be much easier.
The author of World Wide Web just designed a new model of having personal identity and personal data on the net without having to give them away to
centralised service (like LinkedIn, Facebook etc.)
I am already part of such community, where we exchange otherwise regulated and rare goods (which would otherwise be overly taxed by state, that
already consumes over 60% of all my income just on the taxes).
I am optimistic that we are going toward more organic, open, community-driven world.
Although the classic authoritative controlling state will still be there, a new ecosystem grows around it and finally will replace it. It might go
with more or less kicking and screaming of the old system - I just hope the transition won't be too violent.
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it is likely that future amateur chemists will have to behave as 'cooks' and terrorists do nowadays - completely clandestine |
That is likely to be a very accurate prediction. Not only chemistry but any technical activity will be highly controlled of 'banned' by the scum
known as 'government'.
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I think the near future will give rise to more decentralized model of resource exchange, it already applies to money (Bitcoin), goods (OpenBazaar) and
sharing economy (AirBnb, Uber...)
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LOL! Bitcoin and the euphemistically called 'sharing economy' are polar opposites. airbnb and uber are just arms of the government and completely
centralized cancers. The only thing they 'share' is your data to the NSA and your profits to them. They are worse than tax agencies.
As to bitcoin, it is a force for good but easily destroyed by government criminals. The same criminal scum who are enemies of 'amateur' chemistry.
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Calmate
I read your post I looks intense
All we have to do is show why armature chemistry is relevant or important some of us are PhD students engineers work for defense contractors.
respected career fields according to society.
read popular science we are no different then the whole maker community just a cautious branch due to society at large. Their have been amature
chemists on TV on popular shows
Big accomplishments have been made.
What is the cure for chemicalphobia
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| Quote: | | All we have to do is show why armature chemistry is relevant or important |
The only thing that matters and the only thing that is 'relevant' is a person wanting to do something. The only 'justification' needed here is the
desire to do something.
So 'we' don't have to show anything to anybody else and 'we' don't have to ask permission from government criminals.
| Quote: | | some of us are PhD students engineers work for defense contractors. |
'defense' contractor, go figure. In case you didn't get the memo the 'job' of a 'defense' contractor is to make weapons and murder innocent people
so that politicians and crony capitalists can rule the world.
Botton line, your line of thinking is the source of all 'our' problems.
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(All we have to do is show why armature chemistry is relevant or important)
I change my mind
you are right there is nothing to prove. A chemical illiterate society and amature chemistry being synonymous with meth and breaking bad is so
annoying.
I think that will change in the near future sloowly as people have this need to learn more.
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For completness' sake, consider how your utilitarian argument can be used against you :
If you ask your political masters "please let me do amateur chemistry so that 'society' can benefit" they will reply : "If you are interested in
chemistry go to a proper school and then go to work for dow chemical and a create 'useful' products like this one"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zectran_2009_hanna_jon.JP...
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Any ideas to cure chemicalphobia?
From natural and man made chemicals
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No, it's impossible to wake those who pretend to be asleep, so the best
way to eliminate these people is to remove them from the society, ie exile/deport them, kill them, put them in conc camps etc
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No cure 
I'm my country there was a Dow chemical company ad that showed things made by chemicals shrinking and disappearing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EUQ3hS0reXc
Everything is a chemical
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ej_UbREGns
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Quote: Originally posted by fusso  | | No, it's impossible to wake those who pretend to be asleep, so the best
way to eliminate these people is to remove them from the society, ie exile/deport them, kill them, put them in conc camps etc |
Lethal injections cure everything!
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We will be using typewriters and an abacus-calculated SHA256 blockchain posted in The Times disguised as personal ads as a forum. It will take 2 weeks
for a post to be transmitted 
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