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Getting the money back will not be a problem, I have
a good relation with the seller. The seller places a backorder at one of the big companies and that company is not allowed to sell it without the
paperwork. They have to adhere to restrictions, specified in the REACH-regulations, which btw. are EU-wide. More than 1000 chemicals are restricted,
some are strongly restricted, in such a way that hardly nobody can obtain them, others only are restricted for use in specific consumer applications.
It is a real pain in the ass for a supplier to know all these regulations.
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Quote: Originally posted by woelen  | | They have to adhere to restrictions, specified in the REACH-regulations, which btw. are EU-wide. More than 1000 chemicals are restricted, some are
strongly restricted, in such a way that hardly nobody can obtain them, others only are restricted for use in specific consumer applications.
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I looked for this list. It seems to be Annex XVII, "Restrictions on dangerous substances, preparations and articles being placed on the market". (See this.) Chlorosulfonic acid doesn't seem to be on it, either by that name or its CAS number 7790-94-5. It's not in Annex XIV, the "Authorization List", substances soon to be restricted (although it does include a number a chromates).
Found it. It seems to be a "registered substance". See here, which has it as a "pre-registered substance". From what I can tell, it's not on one of the restriction lists, but rather requires tracking
manufacture (at least, possibly sales). It seems possible that the paperwork somewhere along the line is not yet completed, or that the particular
manufacturer dropped the product because of regulatory load. (Regulations such as these favor large suppliers and create a trend toward more a more
concentrated manufacturing sector.)
To find the EU data, start at http://echa.europa.eu/search-chemicals. Type in an identifier (the CAS # above worked), and follow the results. With this, I found manufacturers:
BASF SE Carl-Bosch-Str. 38, 67056, Ludwigshafen am Rhein Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany
BIGE HOLDING KFT Tószegi út 51, 5000, Szolnok Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok, Hungary
CABB GmbH Ludwig-Hermann-Str. 100, 86368, Gersthofen, Germany
PVS Chemicals Belgium Pantserschipstraat 80, 9000, Gent, Belgium
Synthesia, a.s. Semtín103, 53002, Pardubice, Czech Republic
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That really sucks, woelen. I would have loved to see your experiments with that stuff. If you ever roadtrip through Norway once, hit me up and I'll
see if I can get it for you.  I won't however risk shipping it abroad for several
reasons.
Edit: And watson, as always you impress with your borderline-OCD way of finding and neatly presenting information. Your posts are always a joy to
read.
| Quote: Originally posted by TheChemiKid | Oh 
I will investigate that.
EDIT: hmmm, they don't seem to ship to america, or any country besides canada that is. Could you try to see how much it would cost you to ship it?
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Dude. 30$ for the chemical, 35$ to ship it to Plante, 30-60$ to ship it to you? Half a liter of t-butanol really isn't worth over 100$. It's not that
hard to get. Check out Elemental Scientific or eBay.
[Edited on 24-10-2013 by Lambda-Eyde]
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cool, I live 5km from: PVS Chemicals Belgium Pantserschipstraat 80, 9000, Gent, Belgium
Woelen, want me to break in and steal some? 
But maybe one can buy it OTC if one lists their intent for it as a home chemist (too good to be true, but maybe worth a shot)
I investigated the location, It's right next to Manuport, our very good friend (Woelen, he drove me out to our meeting place) is the former owner of
Manuport. He might be able to do something..
We often ''walk'' (actually drive around in the jeep or motorbike) by there, it smells fishy! (see what did there? )
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lambda-Eyde | | watson, as always you impress with your borderline-OCD way of finding and neatly presenting information. Your posts are always a joy to read.
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Thank you.
I was curious about the regulations. While they're not identical to those in the USA, they have similar overall outlines. There's prohibition vs.
licensing vs. reporting. There are shipping and labelling regulations. Etc. I've seen USA regulation discussed more here, and I think it would a good
idea to have more discussion on EU regulation.
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| Quote: Originally posted by watson.fawkes | | I was curious about the regulations. While they're not identical to those in the USA, they have similar overall outlines. There's prohibition vs.
licensing vs. reporting. There are shipping and labelling regulations. Etc. I've seen USA regulation discussed more here, and I think it would a good
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I think some of the reasons for this are:
1) USA is a country, while the European Union is not. The EU has 28 member states, and a few others are affected through the EEA treaty among other
agreements. The USA has considerably more influence on and more in-depth laws and regulations imposed on its "member states". It is not until recently
(I believe) that chemical legislation (as REACH) has fallen in under EU law. Then you also have all the European countries that are not EU members
(about 20?) and not affected by its legislation. Thus, Europe is more diverse in its laws and regulations concerning chemicals, both in scope and
enforcement - so "EU regulation" is a wide field. (This has to be kept in mind when reading the other arguments as well)
2) Europe hasn't had a methamphetamine "epidemic" like the US, where hundreds of clandestine labs have been uncovered a month. Drug production is far
less centralized and smaller-scale when it comes to the US methamphetamine market. Methamphetamine isn't a very popular street drug in most of Europe
unlike some parts of the US. My impression is that (other than cannabis) amphetamine, "ecstacy", MDMA and heroin are more popular over here. Why this
is I don't know, but I hypothesize that the easy availability of pseudoephedrine and its easy conversion to methamphetamine is an important factor.
Combine an easy-to-get drug and a poor population, and you get situations like these. (Like "Krokodil" in Russia, which is slowly creeping further
west)
3) Home chemists in Europe seem to be left alone (except for a large raid in Germany a few years ago, IIRC) because of this - private persons buying
lab equipment and not-that-suspicious chemicals aren't interesting in the war on drugs/terrorism. While there have been several cases in the US of
genuine amateur chemists being screwed over by the law.
As for transportation regulations in Europe, this is governed by the ADR/RID regulations: http://www.unece.org/trans/danger/publi/adr/adr2011/11Conten...
[Edited on 26-10-2013 by Lambda-Eyde]
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I just got my stuff from stoichiometric steve. We all love pics, so here goes:
Calcium Carbonate 500g
 
Copper sulfate 1000g
Hydroquinone 100g
Mercury dichloride 10g
Molybdenum trioxide 100g
Nickel dichloride 250g
Copper dichloride 250g
Urea 25g
Potassium fluoride 250g
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Sodium 110g
Strychnine nitrate 10g
A glass weighing boat, a few plastic jars and a tiny mortar and pestle
A 500ml DURAN gas washing bottle, brand new with fritted bubbler
72 glass vials for storage of small samples
A few DURAN bottles and evaporating dish
that's all. now I can do some truly interesting experiments!
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Cs2CO3
DCFC silica 60
I like the low electronegativity for neutralizations in the hopper.
"When you let the dumbasses vote you end up with populism followed by autocracy and getting back is a bitch." Plato (sort of)
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blargish
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Hasn't arrived yet, but...
Sodium Sulfate, anh - 500 g
Sodium Thiosulfate 5-hydrate - 500 g
Potassium Dichromate - 100 g
Chromium Trioxide - 500 g
Potassium Permanganate - 500 g
Nitric Acid 70% ACS - 500 mL
Perchloric Acid 70% ACS - 500 mL
Super stoked! Found a new chem supplier based in my city, so chems for days!
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I just got a 20g sample of gallium
I also got 2.5 five liters of nitric acid for my birthday quite a while ago (enough to last many years). You should have seen my parent's faces when
I asked for it.
blargish where did you order your chemicals?
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blargish
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alphachem.ca
They are based in Toronto, so I can just drop by and pick up the chemicals without shipping charges. They sell an insanely wide variety of reagents
compared to any other canadian company I've seen. Kinda expensive, but the best source I've come across for myself. I don't think they charge hazmat
fees for anything.
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Thank you so much!
I looked them up and ther's one in my area!
That being said I might be visiting to see what it's like.
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blargish
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| Quote: Originally posted by bismuthate | Thank you so much!
I looked them up and ther's one in my area!
That being said I might be visiting to see what it's like. |
No problem
This is my first time ordering from alphachem.
I usually order from Prolab Scientific, and although their products are top quality, their selection is somewhat limited, and I have to pay a shipping
charge. Alphachem is somewhat pricey, but their selection is unreal
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Not chems, but stuff from a glassblower.
about 15m of 7mm OD borosilicate glass tubing for 4eur
and 2 reparations. he stuck a new joint on my 1l sep funnel and fixed the sidearm on my addition funnel for 25 eur.
 
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- 2kg KOH, to replenish my stock (Dudadiesel on Ebay)
- 1 gallon of nitromethane, (Torco brand from Amazon.com)
- 1 gallon of 37% formaldehyde in 10% MeOH, (The Science Company on Ebay)
- Pipette bulb (Scientific Equipment of Houston on Amazon)
- More test tubes (I keep accidentally destroying them), (Carolina Biological)
- 5 troy oz bar of .999 Ag metal for AgNO3 (Ebay)
- 3x 24/40 gas adapter for more efficient (less "rigged") gas generator (Ctech Glass)
- 2x 24/40 thermometer inlets, also for above generator (Ctech Glass)
- 10m 6mm borosilicate tubing for above generator (Cynmar)
EDIT: Also ~250g sodium azide from an undisclosed foreign contact.
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I got another 3kg container of NaOH from the hardware store
I use tons of it as a desiccant. All my chemicals are packed away in plastic boxes with open jars of NaOH to keep them dry and absorb acid fumes.
Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble
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A few neat items
Sodium sulfide
Acetamide
And for tormenting my house plants,
Apparently a 200ppm solution is what can be sprayed on adult plants, has anyone here experimented with gibberellic acid?
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blargish
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My dad went out to pick up the order that I had placed a couple weeks ago, and when I got home from school, these were waiting for me
 
 
 
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Congrats! Yummy, perchloric acid
Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble
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2.5kg of Anhydrous Sodium Sulfate and 500mL of Glacial Acetic Acid from Macron
Time for some reaction workup!
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Recently, I have ordered (from local supplier) very interesting reagent. I have received my parcel with some shyness and doubt....
....open the bottle... and my nose almost exploded. That is the odour !!
500 ml of acetyl acetate, almost for free (15 euros).
Слава Україні !
Героям слава !
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This summer when I was in Poland I went to this chem store in warsaw and bought a lot of chemicals, then we loaded them into the car and went to the
netherlands. We got them home safely. I do recommend looking for a local chem
store if you are in Poland.
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blargish
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After a quick stop at Canadian Tire...
Calcium Hypochlorite - 1kg
Tichloroisocyanuric acid - 1kg (says it's 100% pure)
Acetone - 1L
Methyl Ethyl Ketone - 1L
Sodium Hypochlorite 11% - 4L
Hydrochloric acid 31.45% - 1L
I also saw a product in the pool section called Aquarius Flush that claimed to be 60% phosphoric acid. Does anyone know whether this would even be
useful as a source of phosphoric acid? It seemed to by dyed pink.
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You get MEK at Canadian tire!? What province are you in? I need to go to a special supplier for that
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