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[*] posted on 4-1-2010 at 08:26
RP


Sorry for kinda going off topic but: I found a website based in east europe that takes paypal and sells RP. I've decided to try and order and I was wondering if 500g was too much to try and buy or go for 100g. I don't need RP at all right now and definately won't need alot but with how hard it is to find ordering "a lifetime supply" makes the most sence except for the fact that I live in the usa and i'm ordering a half kilo RP. So whats your take and please no: for the sake of god don't order, the question is 500g once or try 100g and good luck when I run out years from now.
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[*] posted on 4-1-2010 at 11:54


Dear Pip,
I would be very careful about ordering chemicals outside of the US if you live in the US. ESPECIALLY DEA listed materials, the reason being that anything coming from the outside of the US goes through customs. And you can bet that if they find 100 or 500 grams of a list 1 material going to an unlicensed person, that there will a lot of trouble for that person. Anyway I hope you take this into consideration before you order.
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[*] posted on 5-1-2010 at 01:11


Please do not order the phosphorus from that website if you are in the USA. Parcels from that country (I know which company you are talking about, the company is a legit and good company) WILL be checked and if they find red P in it then you will have BIG BIG trouble. Sad for you, but if you live in the USA then don't bother with ordering chemicals from an EU-based company. For us in the EU it is the same with fantastic sources in the USA like Chemsavers and United Nuclear where we cannot order things for exactly the same reason (e.g. I would love to have some depleted uranium, but it is forbidden over here and ordering from the USA is way too much of a risk, so I accept not having this). You should accept the limitations of not being able to get some reagents just as we also should accept limitations on other reagents which can be purchased in the USA but not in the EU.




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[*] posted on 5-1-2010 at 01:34


You could go to U$ Customs to request a license to import the stuff, in advance of ordering it from overseas. Otherwise, you will just have to make your own red P, e.g. by reducing materials like phosphate rock, or ground and calcined bones, although it would be only technical-grade. Alternatively, I wonder if you could get it in Canada or México, and somehow smuggle it across the border; drug-sniffing dogs cannot detect it.
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[*] posted on 5-1-2010 at 05:27


Quote: Originally posted by pip  
I found a website based in east europe that takes paypal and sells RP.
Importing List I chemicals, which includes red phosphorus, without a license is a Federal crime under the diversion law. Getting a license is not economical for small quantities. The rationale for this is that the diversion law directly regulates the nexus of manufacture and sales, not of end use. By importing, you originate a nexus within the US, acting as a new origin of the material just as a manufacturer is, hence triggering regulation.

Purchasing red P from a domestic supplier is not a crime. The transaction, however, must be recorded and may be reported and inspected.

If you want to avoid an information trail, you can legally synthesize it yourself for your own use.
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[*] posted on 5-1-2010 at 06:03


If it's illegal to possess P, isn't its production likely to be illegal too. . .
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[*] posted on 5-1-2010 at 06:27


It's not illegal to possess, but it's illegal to use to make controlled substances. Therefore if you're caught with RP, I2 and have some decongestant tablets in the medicine chest BOOM. The forensic chemist will testify that nothing else can be made with this combination of 3 chemicals and the jury will convict because they never heard of anyone having chemistry as a hobby.

It's illegal to manufacture, import, export, or sell without all the paperwork I believe.

It's not illegal to buy, but you absolutely do go on The List.

Disclaimer: I ain't no lawyer.
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[*] posted on 5-1-2010 at 07:23


Well, practically illegal by dint of its being a List1 chemical. . .

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[*] posted on 5-1-2010 at 08:55
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I live right by (relatively) united nuclear, they do have some cool stuff. I have no interest in the chemical everyone knows RP was made illegal over, This really sucks that they can't just make the pseudo totally illegal and leave basic elements alone.

I thought that owning rp was legal as long as there is no intent to commit a crime, like iodine and sinus pills right by. If I wasn't so lazy I would scrape match books and have a unlimited supply.

I guess I will just do the matchbook thing as I don't even need the rp I just appreciate when somthing rare shows up unexpected I try to get it what ever it is. car parts, chemicals, anything.

to return to topic

100g sodium metabisulfite
100g potassium metal
50g sodium metal
1l benzene
100g sodium formate
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[*] posted on 5-1-2010 at 12:49


I wouldn't call it so much an 'order' but free score. Lab tech was chucking out a bunch of vials that had IrCl3 in them, but was wet, so I saved them, combined, and dried out again, giving me about 0.5g.

Its not much, but considering 1g of reagent grade IrCl3 hydrate costs $155 from Sigma Aldrich (the original source), its a score!
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[*] posted on 6-1-2010 at 09:49


4l Reagent grade H2SO4
0.5l Reagent grade (24%) HCl
0.5l Reagent Grade H2O2

Also bought some oven cleaner with monoethalonoamine with sights set at pentryl.




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[*] posted on 9-1-2010 at 05:43


Aluminium Isopropoxide 100G
Ethyl bromoacetate 100mL
Acetophenone 100mL

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[*] posted on 16-1-2010 at 10:46


My last order was,
500ml trimethyl phosphate
250ml chloroform
500ml n-butyl alcohol
Not much but enough to do some cool experiments.

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[*] posted on 9-4-2010 at 22:03


Bah I know this is an old thread but I could not resist.

Anyway:
2x500ml 30%H2O2
2x500ml 70% HNO3
500gr KBr
500gr NaNO2
100gr Co(NO3)2
500gr MnCO3
500gr KOH
3x .5'x5' carbon electrode
270ml crucible with handle

Not a ton of stuff, but certainly enough to have some fun with. Oh and most this stuff is for making anodes.
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[*] posted on 11-4-2010 at 10:53


-2g Pd powder
-0,5g Pt powder (extracted from teeth)
-50g sodium hypophosphite (already had 100g)
-25g hydroxylammonium chloride
-17g of dental gold fillings (of wich less than about 2g is porcelain). It is supposed to be Orion GX gold, so 84% gold, 8% Pt, and 5% Pd). I got these for about 110 euro.
-75g ammonium perrhenate (for 45 euro)

I am soon getting some more reagent grade HCl and ammonia, some glassware and common stuff like spatulas and pipettes and 3 nickel crucibles (already have one) for 6 euro.
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[*] posted on 11-4-2010 at 18:27


We just passed in a purchase order for
500ml 30% H2O2
500g MgSO4
100g Silver Nitrate
2kg washing soda

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[*] posted on 12-4-2010 at 01:15


Monovalent magnesium! That must have cost a lot! ;)
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[*] posted on 12-4-2010 at 03:19


Well... I accidentaly ordered 250 g of POCl<sub>3</sub> from Chiron yesterday, but I cancelled the order. :P
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[*] posted on 13-4-2010 at 04:20


I finally got round to ordering some distilled water. So much cheaper and easier than making it for myself.
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[*] posted on 13-4-2010 at 07:03


500mL of ACS grade HCl

Yeah its boring but I can make some Aqua Regia now!




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[*] posted on 16-4-2010 at 22:42


1000ml NH4OH . Last week i was making Aqua Regia at job :)
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[*] posted on 17-4-2010 at 22:30


NaCl at the supermarket.

I needed to change the ionic state of my roast lamb :D




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[*] posted on 1-5-2010 at 06:13


1,000lbs ergotamine
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[*] posted on 1-5-2010 at 08:10


Gosh, what could you possibly use 1,000 lbs or 454 Kg - nearly half a tonne - of ergotamine for, derived from the ergot fungus that grows on rotting grain and grass seeds? I have an idea that stuff can be used as an intermediate in the synthesis of LSD; if so, how many "trips" could you get out of that much?

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[*] posted on 1-5-2010 at 09:50


Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW  
Gosh, what could you possibly use 1,000 lbs or 454 Kg - nearly half a tonne - of ergotamine for, derived from the ergot fungus that grows on rotting grain and grass seeds? I have an idea that stuff can be used as an intermediate in the synthesis of LSD; if so, how many "trips" could you get out of that much?

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too many. :D

Ask Mr Pickard about that. :P He's in jail pending a presidential pardon for his adventures now, after they'd arrested him THREE TIMES before in acid labs. Got to admire his spirit. Rather than fighting the police with threats or guns he simply ran away when they tried to arrest him again, outrunning the young state troopers following him, aged 50+. FLY MY PRETTY, FLY! :D If he was involved in anything else, the guns would have been out. His work could be considered harmful by so many, but I bet the guy was one of the most harmless people on earth to know. You can see his work in his eyes and smile; it's unmistakable.

I'm not a dumb hippy, I love the police and appreciate that they're trying to look after us all. Pickard is just funny as hell. No guns, just running.

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