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[*] posted on 21-7-2010 at 07:05
Officials: Replica shows NY bomb could have killed


An alarmist headline, gots to love the Gov. - Newspapers.

NEW YORK – Investigators secretly detonated a working replica
of the car bomb used in the failed Times Square terror attack,
creating a large explosion that destroyed other vehicles and scattered
flaming debris, law enforcement officials said Tuesday.

The test in central Pennsylvania showed that the homemade bomb,
had it been constructed and detonated properly, would have killed
or wounded an untold number of pedestrians and damaged buildings
along the block where the car was abandoned by Faisal Shahzad on
May 1, the officials said.

And now a detail —

For the test, the officials said the investigators also used a Pathfinder but
rigged it with the higher grade fertilizer and more sophisticated components.
Four other vehicles were positioned around the car bomb in positions
replicating cars in an adjacent traffic lane and parking spots in Times Square.

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If he had used several radioactive smoke detectors they could have
replaced them with a nuke!
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[*] posted on 21-7-2010 at 07:09


I will never understand american media. What is the fasination with showing terrorist there mistakes? Everytime something happends right away they show how bad it could have been if this and that where done different....

There fellow terrorist and watching and taking notes im sure of it.





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[*] posted on 21-7-2010 at 07:34


"If it bleeds; it leads" is a common expression in tabloid journalism.
I once lived in a moderate sized town which had it's own TV station & News. My wife once had an expression for the news of that station: "The Child Death Hour" & would never watch it. It appeared that during the course of the news, the editors of the station's news dept. picked most all of the most depressing and grotesque debauchery that existed throughout the world and crammed it into a short period of depressingly depraved behavior.

The exploitation of a failed bombing is simply a pathetic attempt of "the innocent came close to death"; which upon examination, is a strained way of CREATING NEWS because the actual reporting is not truly technical but emotionally directed. It's quite a feat to report the events of the day when the underpinnings are to sell advertising time - thus keeping your viewers "interested": realizing that the advertisements themselves are directed toward a 13 yr old mentality!
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[*] posted on 21-7-2010 at 08:08


And, on tomorrow night's news, more things that didn't happen.

Where do they draw the line?
Today our reporters find that if bad guys had got hold of the "Death star" from the Star Wars movie they could have left the earth a smouldering rock.
So what?
They didn't.

There's a different side to this. I realise that the counter terrorism people should look very carefully at "what if" scenarios. They just shouldn't put the results on the main news.
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[*] posted on 21-7-2010 at 09:46


Uh oh, the Unibrow Bomber is in real trouble now



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Quote: Originally posted by Sedit  
I will never understand american media. What is the fasination with showing terrorist there mistakes? Everytime something happends right away they show how bad it could have been if this and that where done different....

There fellow terrorist and watching and taking notes im sure of it.




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There fellow terrorist and watching and taking notes im sure of it.

Been done. Was reported members of the Baader-Meinhof gang,
AKA Red Arm Faction (RAF) attended trials of captured members
to discover what techniques were used by the police &c.


Noted in passing. This is not a recommendation.

Stefan Aust
Translated by Anthes Bell
Baader-Meinhof : The Inside Story of the R.A.F.
Oxford University Press US Edition 2009
Original edition 1985

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[*] posted on 21-7-2010 at 11:03


Exactly I dont doubt it for one second. I find it rediculous how we constantly speak of things such as dirty nukes and terrorist activities not to mention atlest once every couple months I see on TV one program or another showing you exactly what you need to make Meth and how to go about smurfing ect.... "Its so easy anyon can do it in there own home and make millions of dollars" they say and then they wounder why we have bombers and Methlabs alll over the place.

It just boggles my mind man.





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[*] posted on 21-7-2010 at 13:16


What a waste of taxpayers' money! The replica car bomb went off only because the un-named "investigators" used a proper explosive fertilizer, probably ammonium nitrate. The Pakistani immigrant who made the actual bomb was so dumb, in spite of supposedly having a MBA and "living the American dream", that when he went to a farm supplies store to buy the fertilizer for the bomb, he grabbed a non-explosive fertilizer, probably one with a similar name like ammonium phosphate, ammonium sulfate, or ammonium magnesium phosphate.
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[*] posted on 21-7-2010 at 13:27
Government Intelligence is an oxymoron


Extracted from the NY Times

RICIN ON CAPITOL HILL: THE POISON; Ricin, Made From Common
Castor Beans, Can Be Lethal but Has Drawbacks as a Weapon
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: February 4, 2004

As recently as last year, a 1962 Army patent for making
weapons-grade ricin was available on a public computer at the
United States Patent Office. That Web page has been closed, but the
military's recipe is still available elsewhere on the Internet.

Or a well financed terrorist could send US $3.00 to the US Patent
and TM office and obtain a hard copy.

With Government think like this .... if terrorist sold stock... I would buy their stock rather then US Gov. bonds.

I can't tell you the patents number. I don't want to spend the
summer in Gitmo. I would note in passing that the Merck
Index
is treasure house of info on chemicals and drugs.

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[*] posted on 22-7-2010 at 11:37


Ever hear of counterintelligence ?
If what ( charitably referered to as ) terrorists are doing , is prone to fail ,
you want to encourage them to continue doing it the same way. Learning
of bomb disposal methods has no bearing on learning from your own mistake.

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[*] posted on 22-7-2010 at 16:13
Bombs away




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[*] posted on 23-7-2010 at 05:09


"Or a well financed terrorist could send US $3.00 to the US Patent
and TM office and obtain a hard copy."
My money would be on the anti terrorist squad getting to the delivery address before the patent.
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Quote: Originally posted by unionised  
"Or a well financed terrorist could send US $3.00 to the US Patent
and TM office and obtain a hard copy."
My money would be on the anti terrorist squad getting to the delivery address before the patent.



If they visit me (a bunch of years late) I hope they bring a pizza.

One could find la patent on the web, or simply visit the local
library many of which have US Patents on microfilm, just
request a patent a thousand numbers away which would be
on the same reel.


Byda Castor beans (Palma christi ) is a commonly planted as an ornamental plant.

Speaking of ricin (either pronunciation will do) :—

Case of the Willing Victim
New York Newsday 16 viii 82

He called his plot to poison his wife "a mission of mercy," an attempt to end
the pain and suffering caused by a paralyzing stroke she had three years
ago. She backed his story, insisting in dramatic and emotional testimony that
she wanted to die: "I begged and pleaded with him to help me, to get
something that would help [kill me]." But the jury was unmoved: last week
William Chanslor, 50, a prominent Houston attorney and past president of the
city's Trial Lawyers Association, was convicted of "solicitation to murder" his
42 year-old wife, Sue.

The plot was bizarre even by Texas standards. It began last year when
Chanslor, using the alias John G. Thompson, advertised in paramilitary
journals for an "expert in poisons & chemical agents with access to same." In
one of those magazines, Soldier of Fortune, he spied an ad for a five-volume
set of books entitled "How to Kill," written by a Canadian weapons expert
(box [below]). He purchased the books and arranged to contact the author,
John Minnery, at his Ontario home. Between October and March of this year,
the two men had about a half-dozen telephone conversations about poison.
Chanslor first inquired about killing animals, then revealed that his intended
victim was human-42 years old and partially paralyzed in a wheelchair.

When Chanslor asked Minnery to procure poison for him, Minnery went to
the police. The two men finally met in April at the Toronto airport, where
Minnery introduced the Texan, still using his alias, to Keith Symons, an
Ontario provincial policeman posing as a man with access to poisons. During
an hourlong conversation in the airport lounge, taped and photographed by
Canadian police, Chanslor detailed his mission. When asked whether the
victim might cooperate by committing suicide, he lamented, "It's an
impossibility. We talked about it once and then the person backed out ... It's
gone on too long, too long ... I'm sick of waiting, for this bitch is really getting
to me."

After discussing several poisons and rejecting them-because they leave
traces the men decided on ricin, a toxin more powerful than cobra venom; it
is extremely rare and produces a slow, convulsive death. It is also virtually
impossible to detect: Minnery assured Chanslor that an autopsy would
attribute the death to a stroke, heart attack or uremic failure. Chanslor said he
planned to give the poison to the victim at bedtime and inquired how long he
should wait before calling his neighbors for help. "Eight to ten hours," Minnery
informed him.

Vitamin C: Less than two weeks later, Symons flew to Houston and, this
time under video surveillance by Texas authorities, delivered to Chanslor a
yellow capsule (which actually contained vitamin C along with a surgical
mask, gloves and tweezers to ensure that he didn't touch or inhale the
"poison." After Chanslor paid the cop $2,500 and got into his 1981 Lincoln,
police surrounded the car and arrested him.

The defense didn't dispute the facts, only their interpretation-arguing that
mercy, not murder, was on Chanslor's mind. The Chanslors tried to bolster
that view by a public display of devotion throughout the eight-day trial; he
wheeled his wife into the courtroom during the trial, and she sat as close to
him as possible. On the stand, they echoed each other, maintaining that their
complex scheme to make her death appear natural stemmed from the fear
that their son, Brandon, would be stigmatized by his mother's suicide. But
Assistant District Attorney Jim Lavine dismissed the mercy defense as "a
kaleidoscope of deception" and Mrs. Chanslor's testimony as pathetic self-
deception. He introduced statements from Mrs. Chanslor, made on the day of
her husband's arrest, that she had never asked him to provide her with a way
to die and that she wouldn't willingly take her own life. "He wanted to kill his
wife because she was a yoke, a burden to him," Lavine argued. "The mission
of mercy is for him, not her."

The jury took only three hours to return its verdict. Mrs. Chanslor took the
stand again, this time pleading that her husband not be sent to prison: "I can't
live without him." Chanslor himself begged the jury not to separate him from
his family because "they can't make it without me, and I can't make it without
them." In the end, Mrs. Chanslor's mercy mission proved far more successful
than her husband's. The jury rejected prosecution arguments for a prison
term of 16 to 20 years and sentenced Chanslor to just three years in prison,
making him eligible for parole in one year. "Mrs. Chanslor was devastating,"
conceded Lavine. Agreed his fellow prosecutor, Brad Beers, "If it wasn't for
her testimony, he would have gotten 20 years."

Manual for Murder

"You may well find this booklet offensive, repulsive, brutal and vicious." So
warns writer John A. Minnery in the preface of "How to Kill," a five-volume set
of books [Now six volumes. /djh/] that William Chanslor discovered while
plotting to kill his wife.

Minnery counsels on everything from the use of clubs to homemade atomic
weapons; wiring a urinal accomplishes swift electrocution, portable drills can
easily penetrate skulls, spines or heart muscles. But in general, Minnery
advises killers to keep their crimes simple. Clobbering a victim over the head
with a typewriter, for example, usually proves effective.

Minnery, 34, claims his books are aimed at police officers and military per-
sonnel as an "investigative aid." Morality plays little part in Minnery's text, but
he does offer one admonition to the would-be assassin: "Kill without joy."

—————————
Minnery on the TV program "20/20" some years ago said: "They are not how
to murder books, they are how to kill books [………..!] I would call his
statement: "The morality of convenience." If it's convenient; it's moral. /djh/

Chanslor placed ad's in the November, 1981 issues of both Soldier of Fortune and Gung-Ho. /djh/

"WANTED: Experts in poisons and chemical agents with access to same for
lectures to civic groups. Excellent pay and expenses. Write to: G. Thompson,
8690 S. Gesser, Suite 232, Houston TX 77074."

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[*] posted on 23-7-2010 at 06:14
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Quote: Originally posted by The WiZard is In  
As recently as last year, a 1962 Army patent for making
weapons-grade ricin was available on a public computer at the
United States Patent Office. That Web page has been closed, but the
military's recipe is still available elsewhere on the Internet.
It's U.S.Pat. 3,060,165, issued Oct. 23, 1962. It took all of ten seconds to find it on Google patents.
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[*] posted on 24-7-2010 at 02:24


Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW  
...who made the actual bomb was so dumb, in spite of supposedly having a MBA and "living the American dream",



I'm not sure where any smarts would come from in that mix. *runs*




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