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[*] posted on 11-12-2020 at 19:53
Loudwolf “Sodium Thiosulfate, anhydrous”: WHAT IS IT?!


So I was doing a NalCO titration with KI and Sodium Thiosulfate as outlined in “Small scale synthesis of Laboratory Reagents” by Lerner and I was getting a clear solution with barely any Thiosulfate. Ran it 3 times and was getting less than 1% NaOCl when I knew the solution was at least 8%.

So as I was looking at the label, under “sodium thiosulfate, anhydrous” was Na₂S₃O₄, instead of Na₂S₂O₃. Huh? So I popped it into google and pretty much all the results are for various pages selling the loudwolf product, and a couple other equation balancer websites that had the name for that formula blank.

So I decided to take a quick melting point on it. It should be 43°C according to my resources. At around 60°, there was very very slight, almost imperceptible melting of some component, and again at 100-110, although that could’ve just been things shifting from heat or moisture. Even up to 350°, it looked unchanged. Finally at over 400°C, it started started melting into a weird green sludge (along with my melting point apparatus...). The first picture is at around 60 degrees, the second and third are just over 400 and 430 respectively, as the green melt formed.

I decided to do a sanity check with a torch and even in direct flame, it just started to char and burn with a very sodium orange flame, and when the torch was removed, it continues burning with an orange and purple flame. Afterwards, it leaves yellow crust so obviously it contains at least sodium and sulfur.

The real question is just what exactly are they selling? It’s obviously a reducing agent that reacts with NaOCl. It obviously contains sodium and sulfur, but yet it has a 400+ degree melting point.

Any guesses?

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[Edited on 12-12-2020 by Delta-R]
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[*] posted on 11-12-2020 at 22:08


It looks like sodium thiosulfate decomposes at around 300 degrees celsius.
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Sodium-thiosulfate...
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[*] posted on 12-12-2020 at 03:22


I won't be sure in a product of manufacturer who doesn't know the formula of the product. Sodium thiosulfate is Na2S2O3.
There are several good qualitative tests for thiosulfate ion which I think more appropriate than the melting point determination for this compound because it decomposes on heating. They are well described in a literature, but I personally very like reaction with barium chloride, it a kind of "delayed" reaction - see, for example in the article I attached here.

If you don't have it you can easily prepare thiosulfate by dissolving sulfur in boiling sodium sulfite solution followed by crystallisation. Some ventilation during the process is needed.


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[*] posted on 12-12-2020 at 06:06


Nothing wrong with it. 43C is for the pentahydrate, you have the anhydrous version which melts with decomposition at around 300C which you observed. Occams razor says its a simple typo on the label, not some previously unheard of chemical.
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