Sciencemadness Discussion Board - Brexit effect - reagent dry up from/to the UK

Best possible thing for the UK would be hard brexit,

You spelled "worst" incorrectly there.

hissingnoise - 8-1-2019 at 02:27

The UK will go to the brink, gaze into the abyss and wisely decide that a second referendum is the most democratic way to end Putin's trickery...

Sulaiman - 8-1-2019 at 02:51

I doubt that BREXIT will significantly change the flow of imports from China, or impede my supplies from Poland.
I can't remember buying anything from Europe (other than Poland) for my chemistry hobby.
I doubt that we will impose export restrictions ... we will need every penny available.
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The UK will go to the brink, gaze into the abyss and wisely decide that a second referendum is the most democratic way to end Putin's trickery...

If you think that Putin had any significant influence on BREXIT then you are mistaken.
(and probably a Clinton supporter)
It was more a case of frustration with the political elite,
similar to the reasons that Trump was elected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cantillon

[Edited on 8-1-2019 by Sulaiman]

unionised - 8-1-2019 at 05:55

If you think that Putin had any significant influence on BREXIT then you are mistaken.

[Edited on 8-1-2019 by Sulaiman]

Mr Putin's friends have been doing their best to destabilise other countries governments with a view to making his look better in comparison.
Why would they not have supported Brexit?

fusso - 8-1-2019 at 06:29

Luckily I don't live in EU/UK so no need to pick sides or argue about brexit with you guys (unless prices of something in my country will be changed)

wg48temp9 - 8-1-2019 at 08:02

I doubt that BREXIT will significantly change the flow of imports from China, or impede my supplies from Poland.
I can't remember buying anything from Europe (other than Poland) for my chemistry hobby.
I doubt that we will impose export restrictions ... we will need every penny available.
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The UK will go to the brink, gaze into the abyss and wisely decide that a second referendum is the most democratic way to end Putin's trickery...

There probably was a frustration effect against the political elite but I think primary it was older people concerned about immigration and the view that the EU was interfering with our laws. Not helped by the negative press the EU usually got. The money we were supposed to save was a bonus.

Unfortunately a lot of that money we were supposed to save if we leave will be spent on the new bureaucrates we will have to create that was previously done by the EU.

I should add I was a remainer. We don't rule the waves anymore, we are not much more than a little island of the coast of Europe so it made sense to me to be a county in the EU. But I think if we do leave lets leave fully but what do we do with Northern Ireland.

Vomaturge - 8-1-2019 at 08:13

Adding politics to internet forums is like adding calcium hypochlorite to DOT 3 brake fluid:

This conversation looks relatively stable and chemistry-related (focusing on how Brexit will effect chemical shipments), but if I'm not mistaken, it's only a matter of time before the flaming starts.

[Edited on 8-1-2019 by Vomaturge]

fusso - 8-1-2019 at 08:25

Quote: Originally posted by Vomaturge

Politics + internet forums is like calcium hypochlorite + DOT 3 brake fluid:

This conversation looks stable, but if I'm not mistaken, it's only a matter of time before the flaming starts.

Nice simile

Metacelsus - 8-1-2019 at 08:30

I'm currently working in an academic lab at Cambridge University. We regularly order important reagents from countries in Europe (mostly from Germany). If this gets disrupted, we won't be able to continue research. Therefore, I really hope a no-deal Brexit doesn't happen.

I don't agree with every regulation the EU has put into place (and I realize that some of them are quite bad) but on the whole I think science in the UK would be better off if the UK were to remain in the EU.

XeonTheMGPony - 8-1-2019 at 08:34

Quote: Originally posted by Metacelsus

I'm currently working in an academic lab at Cambridge University. We regularly order important reagents from countries in Europe (mostly from Germany). If this gets disrupted, we won't be able to continue research. Therefore, I really hope a no-deal Brexit doesn't happen.

I don't agree with every regulation the EU has put into place (and I realize that some of them are quite bad) but on the whole I think science in the UK would be better off if the UK were to remain in the EU.

It will balance out int he end Uk has all the bargaining power, atm it is being sabotaged from incompetent leadership.

Sovereignty of your land is far more vital then some inconveniences!

Sulaiman - 8-1-2019 at 09:37

Quote: Originally posted by Metacelsus

Would customs tarrifs prevent research ?

unionised - 8-1-2019 at 09:47

Quote: Originally posted by Metacelsus

I don't agree with every regulation the EU has put into place (and I realize that some of them are quite bad) but on the whole I think science in the UK would be better off if the UK were to remain in the EU.

A lot of people don't realise that, over the last 20 years or so, the UK government has only opposed about 2% of EU legislation ( we agreed or didn't care about the other 98%).
Pretty much the only topic where we disagree is tax avoidance which the EU want to clamp down on but the UK govt wants to permit to continue.

unionised - 8-1-2019 at 09:52

Would customs tarrifs prevent research ?

Customs delays prevent research, but that's not the big effect.

There's a lot of international research funded by the EU. Britain will no longer be part of that , so that rules us out of major projects.
And also, the way that EU nationals are treated means that scientists will no longer be so keen to come here to participate in research.

Brexit's a disaster for our research

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/nov/27/academics-...

unionised - 8-1-2019 at 10:01

It will balance out in the end Uk has all the bargaining power, atm it is being sabotaged from incompetent leadership.

Sovereignty of your land is far more vital then some inconveniences!

The UK currently has some bargaining power- roughly in proportion to our GDP (the same as France, rather less than Germany). It has a place in the EU and it has voting rights there.
Post Brexit we will no longer have that influence.

It's said that we will be able to make our own laws and that's true.
But, our industries will still have to follow EU rules if they wish to sell products their.
So our workforce will still be following EU standards, but we will no longer be in a position to influence those standards.

I really don't see that as keeping our sovereignty.

I also don't see trashing the economy as "some inconvenience".
In particular, it will destroy our healthcare system

hissingnoise - 8-1-2019 at 11:08

If you think that Putin had any significant influence on BREXIT then you are mistaken.
(and probably a Clinton supporter)

If you are unable to see Putin's hand behind Brexit and that absolute POS illegitimately in the White House, you're either childishly naive or just mentally lazy ─ which is a pity, as I'd assumed you to be intelligent enough to be left-leaning...

fusso - 8-1-2019 at 11:50

This thread smells gunpowdery...
BREAKING NEWS: fire hazard rises to 100%

[Edited on 190108 by fusso]

hissingnoise - 8-1-2019 at 12:49

Quote: Originally posted by fusso

This thread smells gunpowdery...
BREAKING NEWS: fire hazard rises to 100%

Dunno fusso, the oxidation seems to have stalled, somewhat?

XeonTheMGPony - 8-1-2019 at 13:18

If you think that Putin had any significant influence on BREXIT then you are mistaken.
(and probably a Clinton supporter)

Or you enjoy conspiracy theories and suffering some sever mental dissidence.

One is much more probable then the other.

All so what the left has become you'd need a lobotomy to be "Smart enough to be left"

Sorry trump won he IS your president, and The people Voted leave and that means LEAVE

People are fed up with nanny statism, Boarders being ignored, excetra.
One side refused to listen to the average person, and now they have been booted out we have had to deal with the autistic screeching since.

[Edited on 8-1-2019 by XeonTheMGPony]

Just a copy available for later introspection

Sulaiman - 8-1-2019 at 13:34

If you think that Putin had any significant influence on BREXIT then you are mistaken.
(and probably a Clinton supporter)

unionised - 8-1-2019 at 14:52

The people Voted leave and that means LEAVE
[Edited on 8-1-2019 by XeonTheMGPony]

And they have changed their mind since 2016.
So, we should stay.

j_sum1 - 8-1-2019 at 15:03

Moderator hat is on.
Hissingnoise, I count one unsubstantiated and inflammatory assertion and three perjorative slurs. That is a lot for a two-line post. Please don't do that again. Ditto others who are playing close to the line.

I am leaving tjis thread open for now because I think there are some important science-related matters here tjat would be beneficial to discuss. Just play by the rules ok.
/mod hat.

From where I stand, one of the big issues was that people were asked to vote without the ability to see or understand all of the implications. I think this is a problem in most democracies on matters of importance.

If you think that Putin had any significant influence on BREXIT then you are mistaken.
(and probably a Clinton supporter)

Heptylene - 9-1-2019 at 02:17

Why would imports have to be declared after the brexit? To collect VAT and other taxes?

unionised - 9-1-2019 at 03:04

Quote: Originally posted by Heptylene

Why would imports have to be declared after the brexit? To collect VAT and other taxes?

Because the agreement not to need a declaration will no longer exist.
The default for most countries is that goods imported mak be subject to controls- taxes, tariffs or ven bans.
Within the EU there is an agreement that all of those controls are substantially the same, and that payment in one country is sufficient.
So, for example, because the tax levied on wine is the same (or nearly so) in Germany and France, there's no need to check for border checks to look at wine- if it was bought in one country, the taxes have already been paid.

If you leave that agreement then the situation changes; the controls may be different. In that case, you need to check goods at the border.

This will, obviously, introduce delays.
From an amateus chemistry perspective it's a nuisance.
From the point of view of people requiring radiotherapy drugs, it's a potential death sentence.
But, in exchange for that, we do get to choose what colour passports we want.

DrP - 10-1-2019 at 02:30

I read a stat the other day claiming that we have spend more billions so far in administration, consultation and preparation for brexit than we have paid into the EU funds since we joined it. The legal mess is still no-where near being competed.

I am more interested in the effect it will have on costs to import bulk raw materials for the industry I work in and whether or no all of our EU customers will still buy our products after Easter. I hope so. The UK have the same laws that the EU have, but we and others are still a implementing REACH things and SDS changes... it is an on going job... I hope we can still sell our wares to our customers later in the year with the same margins if we are able to at all.

Quote: Originally posted by unionised

But, in exchange for that, we do get to choose what colour passports we want.

Being fair - I have not heard a single person give any argument as to what colour they should be - I think it was just the press stirring stuff up. The only people that I see going on about passports are remainers... no leaver cares about the colour - it is a misdirection from things that actually matter imo.

Heptylene - 12-1-2019 at 03:56

Thanks for the explanation unionised!

XeonTheMGPony - 12-1-2019 at 06:56

Quote: Originally posted by DrP

Miss direction, miss information is all the remoaners really ever have. to surrender ones sovereignty for convenience is treason to the highest level IMO and any who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither and certain to lose both

Majority still want to leave. We need next is a Canit, first dump trodope in the middle east so he can have his fantasy as a white knight as they behead him, then trash the TTP and a few other things.

unionised - 12-1-2019 at 07:14

Miss direction, miss information is all the remoaners really ever have.

Majority still want to leave. .

The majority do not want to leave.*
What was that you said about "misinformation"?

* even if nobody has changed their mind in the last 2 years, if you sent out the same ballot papers

and everyone voted the same way they did last time, the result would now be "Remain".
That's because many people have died in those 2 years and the demographics show that most of them were "leave" voters.

That's without taking account of facts liek the cost of Brexit has already exceeded the cost of staying.
There is no "brexit dividend"
and so on.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-...

unionised - 12-1-2019 at 07:21

Quote: Originally posted by DrP

... The only people that I see going on about passports are remainers... no leaver cares about the colour - it is a misdirection from things that actually matter imo.

You can't have been looking.

The Leave campaign really did focus on Blue passports
Here's a picture of it.
https://qz.com/945119/article-50-after-brexit-one-in-three-b...

And another
https://www.politico.eu/article/british-passports-to-switch-...

But, you are correct.
It was one way in which they directed attention away from things that matter- like the impossibility of the Irish border.

fusso - 12-1-2019 at 08:03

Majority still want to leave. We need next is a Canit, first dump trodope in the middle east so he can have his fantasy as a white knight as they behead him, then trash the TTP and a few other things.

What's Canit, trodope and TTP?

XeonTheMGPony - 12-1-2019 at 08:16

Quote: Originally posted by fusso