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bfesser - 19-8-2012 at 19:11

arclight, please post details in another thread. I'm interested in exactly how you produced the Cu mirror band.

Endimion17 - 22-8-2012 at 07:34


link to large version
link to video

If anyone can determine the species, or at least genus, that'd be great.

Sublimatus - 22-8-2012 at 07:54

Might want to try bugguide.net

You can post an ID request or browse their image gallery and try to find a match (could take forever, they have tons and tons of photos).

Adas - 23-8-2012 at 00:56

Liparus glabrirostris?

liquidlightning - 26-8-2012 at 03:07

I am currently crystallizing some caffeine citrate, it has so far made some absolutely beautiful hairlike crystals. Still a bit of solution to dry though, will post pics for sure when its ready.

EDIT:

Here ya go.



[Edited on 27-8-2012 by liquidlightning]

Vargouille - 27-8-2012 at 10:47

It's uncanny how similar to hair they are.

kristofvagyok - 27-8-2012 at 12:15

Something interesting:

LIQUID OZONE!

Just made some with an ozonisator, condensed in a test tube with some liquid nitrogen. There was no problem with it until we started the reaction.

The nitrogen/acetone mixture solidified the deuterochloroform what was used as a solvent, the ozone condensed on it and it reacted explosively with the alkene what would have been ozonized. And then: bang.


Never misjudge the power of chemistry. And never forget to use safety glasses!

Adas - 27-8-2012 at 12:33

Wow, liquid ozone? That is amazing, I always wanted to see that! I am sorry for your injuries, though :/

liquidlightning - 27-8-2012 at 12:53

Verg they were very hairy early in the crystallization, but they kinda got bunched while getting them out...

vmelkon - 27-8-2012 at 13:22

Nice, I had read that it had a deep blue color but I had never seen ozone.

Endimion17 - 27-8-2012 at 13:32

kristofvagyok, hats off!!!
This is amazing, there are no photos of liquid ozone on the entire Web, and I haven't seen it in books, either.

I'm sorry about the mishap, I hope your hand is ok, but well done! This is the real thing. Just... wow!

If that's from an ozonizer, it's not pure ozone, am I right? After all, LN2 should've freezed it.
Or you've managed to remove excess oxygen and nitrogen from the air? Have you fed the machine with pure oxygen?

I'd seriously consider putting this photo on Wikipedia for everyone in the world to see.

[Edited on 28-8-2012 by Endimion17]

Wizzard - 27-8-2012 at 16:43

My friend Ivan @ Periodictable.ru made this before:


I'll ask him to post it on Wikipedia :)

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elementcollector1 - 27-8-2012 at 17:38

What is this strange solution?

Rogeryermaw - 27-8-2012 at 20:50

they were just talking about ozone. that would be my guess.

elementcollector1 - 27-8-2012 at 22:06

Um, I don't think that blue liquid is ozone...
I'll take a guess: A copper-ammine salt. Or cobalt. Or... I give up, what is it?

EDIT: That is liquid ozone, isn' it? I feel stupid, I was kind of expecting a paler blue color from ozone, like liquid diatomic oxygen.

[Edited on 28-8-2012 by elementcollector1]

Rogeryermaw - 27-8-2012 at 22:29

actually, the only other picture (claimed to be) of liquid ozone i have ever seen was a miniscule amount and it was much darker than these samples.

kristof, did you manage to get all of the glass out of your hand? sorry for your pain, sir. i know that sucks, but you did share a wonderful image of a chemical most people will never see in their lifetime. thank you for that!

[Edited on 28-8-2012 by Rogeryermaw]

kristofvagyok - 28-8-2012 at 00:57

Quote: Originally posted by Endimion17  
kristofvagyok, hats off!!!
This is amazing, there are no photos of liquid ozone on the entire Web, and I haven't seen it in books, either.

I'm sorry about the mishap, I hope your hand is ok, but well done! This is the real thing. Just... wow!

If that's from an ozonizator, it's not pure ozone, am I right? After all, LN2 should've freezed it.
Or you've managed to remove excess oxygen and nitrogen from the air? Have you fed the machine with pure oxygen?
[Edited on 27-8-2012 by Endimion17]

Well, at first, I want to tell, theat this was not my hand, it was one of my friends who had made this reaction instead of me, because I had another one at this time... But he is okay now.

This explosion was a pity, the glass just "evaporized" to a lot other small pieces (it was 5ml heart shaped flask) and some of it landed in the hand of my friend... It is not serious, it will get better in 1-2-3 days.

The ozone what was produced wasn't pure, it was made from 99,994% oxygen and this contained just a few percent pure ozone.... So the color of the solution is thiswhy so "bright blue".

The accident could be caused by a lot reaction, but the most realistic is that the liquified ozone/oxygen mixture just went off..

A bit offtopic, but does anyone know that how that ozone was produced first time ever in laboratory? It is an interesting reaction, what I have never thought about. I will post it soon(:

Endimion17 - 28-8-2012 at 02:03

Well, the color does seem to be too bright, and it's from an ozonizer, therefore I concluded it's not pure ozone. The standard description is "dark blue liquid", and pure ozone can be solidified using LN2 (I suspect solutions of O3 in O2 have a lower melting point) into a dark blue, purple black solid.

I don't think the quantities made for official experimenting were a lot larger than what it fits into a tiny test tube or perhaps absorption cell for spectroscopy. It's simply too dangerous.

I'm acquainted with periodictable.ru, the guy makes great photos and videos, but I've never seen his photo of liquid ozone before. I'm subscribed to his channel on YT, but it's been a long time since he made any videos...

Wizzard - 28-8-2012 at 05:15

It's O4 :)

@Endimion- I work with him closely, I share some of my projects with him and vice versa, and I relay orders on his behalf.

mr.crow - 28-8-2012 at 07:31

Liquid Ozone? Wow!! If any of you have played Eve Online you will know liquid ozone powers cyno fields, but I didn't know it existed in real life

I have made liquid oxygen before and its a nice pale blue.

Endimion17: You have to choose the lesser of two weevils

kristofvagyok - 28-8-2012 at 13:05

Quote: Originally posted by mr.crow  
Liquid Ozone? Wow!! If any of you have played Eve Online you will know liquid ozone powers cyno fields, but I didn't know it existed in real life

A really useful reaction is based on ozone gas and highly concentrated ozone solutions, this reaction is called ozonolysis(:

And what I have asked and noone replied: the first method for the preparation of ozone in laboratory was made by reaction white phosphorus and dry air (or pure oxygen) in a sealed container. The reaction is spontaneous and ozone concentrations could reach up to 25-30%. I think it's an interesting fact, I would have never thought about this reaction could occur(:

And the picture of the day:

-a nitration's product crystallized at the bottom of the breaker.

LanthanumK - 28-8-2012 at 13:58

@kristofvagyok; What is the reaction mechanism for this method of producing ozone? Does the phosphorus burn or just glow?

phlogiston - 30-8-2012 at 07:47

Absolutely love the images of liquid ozone, as nearly all of your other photographic work, Kristofvagyok.

I did find one other image of this stuff on the net, and it is much darker indeed:

Endimion17 - 30-8-2012 at 10:03

kristofvagyok, I remember reading about that ozone producing method in one very old book on inorganic chemistry. I don't remember the name of the book, but I think it was printed in Great Britain. What's your source?

Photos - just... wow. :)

plastics - 9-9-2012 at 12:48

My tube furnace releasing the last molecules of SO3 from NaHSO4 at 820 Celsius


free picture hosting

The final result


keep photos online

Adas - 9-9-2012 at 13:47

Wow, SO3 is an amazing substance, I always wanted to make some and do some nitronium sulphate-based nitrations :D I don't have the equipment to do so, though.

Endimion17 - 11-9-2012 at 02:54

It seems there isn't an appropriate thread for showing all kinds of weird stuff found online, but this is the closest one here because there are photos inside this link.

Adrian's Home Chemistry Lab

If this is one of you, guys, I'm sorry for my ignorance. It's just that I'm amazed by the awesomeness of this lab. Not only it looks like a 19th century lab where some guy discovered a chemical element, but it even has a freakin' organ inside to add some general spookiness. :o
The videos are really cool, do check it out.
One thing scares me a bit - I don't see a ventilation system and it seems like the lab is a neat place to slowly poison yourself as the years go by. :D

Also, I wouldn't keep a neat and expensive thing like an organ inside a lab where corrosive fumes linger around...

nitronaphtalene (I think)

learningChem - 23-9-2012 at 23:47

full size (4000x3000)

http://img165.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=467150715_IMG_258...

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Eddygp - 24-9-2012 at 12:37

Really? I thought it was a lemon peel... now I have a better look I see. :)

[Edited on 24-9-2012 by Eddygp]

learningChem - 25-9-2012 at 16:30

Hehe. I dissolved the nitronaphtalene in a bit of acetone and let it evaporate. The interesting thing is that only the bottom of the petri dish was covered with the liquid - there was just a few mililiters of it. And yet the solid somehow climbed the container's walls.

Endimion17 - 26-9-2012 at 01:52

Quote: Originally posted by learningChem  
Hehe. I dissolved the nitronaphtalene in a bit of acetone and let it evaporate. The interesting thing is that only the bottom of the petri dish was covered with the liquid - there was just a few mililiters of it. And yet the solid somehow climbed the container's walls.


That's called an evaporative creep. Usual nuisance.

kristofvagyok - 27-9-2012 at 13:48


Two small bromine apoulles and a small flask with the rest of the bromine what I have used in a reaction.

Each ampoulle contains 25-30g of pure Br2, wouldn't be funny to break one :D

mr.crow - 27-9-2012 at 19:28

Yummy Bromine. Keep up good work with the pictures

Ego_and_his_own - 27-9-2012 at 19:30

Oh this will be my topic. I love photography and i came to love with chemistry. :)

Ego_and_his_own - 27-9-2012 at 19:36

(warning: site flagged as malware vector by Google)

http://darkobulatovic.com/photos/P1010248.jpg

Here is Sulfamic Acid after overheating and sudden change to this solid (amber like) state after cooling down in vacuum.

Bubbles of gas got trapped inside of it.

Weird.

[Edited on 7-6-2013 by Polverone]

vmelkon - 28-9-2012 at 07:14

It turns out that making NO2 is easy. I used a TV circuit high voltage line, a couple of canadian 25 cents (pure nickel). I also added a small cup of water to absorb the NO2 and make HNO3.


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learningChem - 28-9-2012 at 22:04

>That's called an evaporative creep. Usual nuisance.

Oh. Thanks for the info.

CMOS - 3-10-2012 at 06:25

acetamide



Squall181 - 4-10-2012 at 17:54

A polished piece of Magnalium

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rstar - 5-10-2012 at 08:12

nothing much to show...

just copper pieces, with my low quality camera :)


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violet sin - 13-10-2012 at 22:57

my first lead acetate crystals! lead was dug from a hillside where we go shooting.

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sainandrew92 - 15-10-2012 at 12:02

Evening all.
I'm new to the forums and figured I'd just introduce myself with a picture.

Italian might be familiar with this stuff based on his previous posts.

Iron Acac crystals. Also, I have Copper Acac but it's kinda boring to look at.

mr.crow - 19-10-2012 at 07:31

More nice pictures!

Here is a pumpkin elephant toothpaste picture I found




[Edited on 19-10-2012 by mr.crow]

Random - 25-10-2012 at 04:53

Quote: Originally posted by vmelkon  
It turns out that making NO2 is easy. I used a TV circuit high voltage line, a couple of canadian 25 cents (pure nickel). I also added a small cup of water to absorb the NO2 and make HNO3.


how to make this, what should I take out from tv?

by the way, which safety precautions you take with this?

thanks

mr.crow - 26-10-2012 at 16:23

Search for TV Flyback driver. It is the black transformer the red high voltage wire from the CRT comes from.

Its an easy project to re-write the primary to get some really high voltage. High voltage can easily break down insulators and kill you. A neon sign transformer would work too and is current limited.

The heat from the arc breaks down nitrogen and oxygen into NOx very inefficiently.

blogfast25 - 27-10-2012 at 08:58

There are some ‘arc chemistry’ examples on this forum if I recall well and they don’t use high voltage sources, rather they use grid power (110 or 220 V AC) with a suitable reactance to limit current. See this old classic for an electric furnace:

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=2492&a...

and:

http://walkermetalsmith.com/reprints/Portable-Arc-Furnace.pd... (example of reactance near the end of the article)


A certain charm

Mailinmypocket - 27-10-2012 at 14:50

These aren't necessarily "pretty" but I wanted to post them anyways. I always thought chemical containers from back in the day have a certain charm to them...


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Compared to today's modern bottles...

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[Edited on 27-10-2012 by Mailinmypocket]

Magpie - 27-10-2012 at 15:47

Some recently made white P, cleaned with chromic acid.



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DougTheMapper - 28-10-2012 at 16:18

Happy Halloween.




cyanureeves - 28-10-2012 at 16:22

that is so cool!

[Edited on 10-29-2012 by cyanureeves]

ItalianChemist - 30-10-2012 at 07:05

This is a photo of about two grams of manganese(III) acetylacetonate prepared by manganese(II) sulfate and acetylacetone. The oxidation to Mn(III) was carried out using potassium permanganate

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Hexavalent - 30-10-2012 at 09:51

Very nice, Doug!

What be you distilling?

kristofvagyok - 30-10-2012 at 12:15



Left side: my starting material, a highly substitued pyrrole (also prepared by me), right side: the compound what I have made from it. Both are under UV.

Hexavalent - 30-10-2012 at 12:35

Bloody hell, that's pretty amazing, kristof.

What are the details of the compounds you used?

DougTheMapper - 30-10-2012 at 16:49

Quote: Originally posted by Hexavalent  
Very nice, Doug!

What be you distilling?


Just running a finishing pass on about .750L of fresh HNO3 to bring it to 68% azeotropic. The sulfuric acid was used in the initial run in conjunction with a whole bunch of CAN fertilizer.

weiming1998 - 1-11-2012 at 05:21


http://www.flickr.com/photos/89521313@N06

This is a picture of NO2 dissolved in chloroform. At room temperature, it is this bright yellow colour, which turns to a deep orange at higher temperatures.

My photography skills are crap, but I still think this is pretty good.

Edit: Directly posting the image somehow doesn't work, so I changed that to a link.

[Edited on 1-11-2012 by weiming1998]

White Yeti - 1-11-2012 at 12:58

Here are chlorine bubbles through olive oil. This was my attempt to isolate chlorine gas by electrolysis. I was hoping that olive oil would be inert enough not to react too much with chlorine, but it ended up reacting anyway. If you look closely at the top of the column, you'll see white streaks where the oil reacted with the chlorine. At the beginning, the oil was perfectly clear.

[edit] the additional picture is not pretty, but I included it to show the extent of the chlorination.
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[Edited on 11-1-2012 by White Yeti]

sargent1015 - 1-11-2012 at 13:58

That is really cool yeti! I might try that just for fun! :P

Eddygp - 1-11-2012 at 14:09

Wtf? Oleic chloride?

Time for Tin! (again)

Mailinmypocket - 2-11-2012 at 10:45

I made more tin crystals from an acidic solution of tin chloride- normally you add granular zinc to the solution to start the reaction and create the "floating tin sponge"

This time I wanted to try with a zinc rod which was too heavy for the bubbles to lift, It made a beautiful tin tree type thing.

The solution is ~0.5 M in SnCl2 and 2 M in HCl

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UnintentionalChaos - 2-11-2012 at 11:03

Quote: Originally posted by Eddygp  
Wtf? Oleic chloride?



Addition of Cl2 across the double bonds in the triglycerides.

Eddygp - 2-11-2012 at 11:30

Quote: Originally posted by UnintentionalChaos  
Quote: Originally posted by Eddygp  
Wtf? Oleic chloride?



Addition of Cl2 across the double bonds in the triglycerides.

Oh yeah, now it makes sense. By the way, what a pretty tin picture, that last one he made.

Mailinmypocket - 2-11-2012 at 17:07

I wish I had something better than an iPhone5 to take pictures, every time I try to show you guys something it turns out shittier than my eyes see it! Thanks though :)

White Yeti - 2-11-2012 at 17:22

It's not bad Mailin'. [Brace yourself for constructive criticism:D] one parameter you could improve is the lighting.
The more light available for the picture, the better it tends to turn out. Just make sure you don't go overboard either.

Mailinmypocket - 2-11-2012 at 17:28

Quote: Originally posted by White Yeti  
It's not bad Mailin'. [Brace yourself for constructive criticism:D] one parameter you could improve is the lighting.
The more light available for the picture, the better it tends to turn out. Just make sure you don't go overboard either.


Not bad- could be better :P I actually did the reaction on a windowsill thinking that the bright daylight would show off the crystals more, but it didn't, so I had to use flash which made it.... Okay.

iPhone are not the masters of photography I have to admit, next time I will try a light behind me or something. I plan to grow some electrolytic tin crystals, but I will figure out my lighting before I do it, for sciencemadnesses' sake ;)

Thanks for the criticism though, I love taking pictures of what I do, I just need to perfect doing it with what I have!

[Edited on 3-11-2012 by Mailinmypocket]

White Yeti - 2-11-2012 at 19:40

Taking pictures is a rather subjective process, everyone has their own style. I like to get light to come in through the side. But in some cases, I don't have the choice, and I need to use flash. This might have been the situation you ran into.

Mailinmypocket - 5-11-2012 at 15:41

Carborundum (silicon carbide), and it's fairly old container. Very hard and extremely shiny little bits- glass can easily be scratched with a granule of this stuff...



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kadriver - 8-11-2012 at 04:54

Here is a video I made that demonstrates precipitating gold from chloroauric acid solution using boiling oxalic acid as the precipitant;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o165tgxFMYM

Kadriver

Fine Silver 5 Troy Ounce Bars

kadriver - 13-11-2012 at 04:27

Bathing in dilute sulfuric acid to remove all traces of flux from the melt.

Each of these bars weigh between 5.020 and 5.040 troy ounces.

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Stamped Bar

kadriver - 13-11-2012 at 04:38

After having the fine silver crystals (grown in my electrolytic silver cells) assayed by NTR Metals, I hand stamp the bars.

These sell on Ebay for 5 to 10 percent over spot price.

After Ebay fees, I net right at spot for each of these bars.

kadriver

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Platinum Leach from Catalytic Converters

kadriver - 13-11-2012 at 04:48

Here is a shot of some platinum and palladium in solution from leaching automotive catalytic converters in hydrochloric acid and clorox.

The solution is course filtered via gravity first using several coffee filters to remove large particulate from the solution.

Then it is filtered a second time using vacuum assist through a whatman number 5 fine filter paper.

kadriver - Edited once to correct a spelling error.

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[Edited on 13-11-2012 by kadriver]

Platinum Group Metals Mixed Black Powder

kadriver - 13-11-2012 at 05:01

This is the platinum group metals that have been cemented (precipitated) using pure zinc metal shavings.

The zinc shavings were added to the platinum/palladium solution and the metals "cement" into the zinc trading places as the zinc goes into solution, and the platinum groups metals precipitate out of the solution.

See "electromotive series" or "replacement series" for an explaination of how this works.

These mixed (platinum, palladium, and probably rhodium) black powders are pure metal. But they will need to be refined (seperated) from each other using some complex chemistry (of which I know very little).

kadriver

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Pure Gold Bar 1.7 Troy Ounce 99.5% Pure

kadriver - 13-11-2012 at 05:25

Here is a pure gold bar that I produced using chemistry and metalurgy to remove impurities from the gold (10k and 14k scrap jewelry).

The scrap gold was alloyed with scrap 925 silver then treated with dilute nitric acid to dissolve most of the base metals - nitric acid will not dissolve gold, but it will dissolve out the base metals.

The resulting gold was then dissolved using a mixture (4 to 1) of 31.45% hydrochloric acid (from Lowes) and concentrated (68%) technical grade nitric acid.

After removing any excess nitric acid and filtering, the pure gold powder was precipitated out of solution using a saturated, and filtered solution of sodium metabisulfite.

There is a tiny bit of contamination seen as tiny bumps and irregularities on the surface of the bar to the left.

To get this bar up to spec, I would have redissolved the gold powder in hydrochloric acid and clorox (from the Dollar Store), then precipitated again using boiling oxalic acid (99.9% ACS) to produce a bar in the range of 99.99% purity.

This bar was sold to a big refinery, so I did not waste the time and chemicals to refine it all the way to industry standards of 99.95% purity.

Thanks for looking.

kadriver

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kadriver - 13-11-2012 at 05:35

Quote: Originally posted by kadriver  
Here is a video I made that demonstrates precipitating gold from chloroauric acid solution using boiling oxalic acid as the precipitant;

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o165tgxFMYM

Kadriver


I posted the above using an ipad and it does not work with a PC.

Here is the link that will work with a PC;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o165tgxFMYM

Thanks for looking.

kadriver

Pyro - 14-11-2012 at 11:59

I2 that has been melted under air and then solidified (I was recrystallizing it and had to stop)

[Edited on 14-11-2012 by Pyro]

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Eddygp - 14-11-2012 at 13:14

Oh, I would love to have some iodine crystals to work with... Anyway.

Pyro - 14-11-2012 at 13:15

well then make them!
there are many, very easy ways to make I2. then just heat to 180-200*C with a flask of cold water on top

Eddygp - 14-11-2012 at 13:23

Yeah, I'll try.

Pyro - 14-11-2012 at 13:32

you could try NO2 and KI. its very effective

Eddygp - 14-11-2012 at 13:35

OK, thank you. Atm I need more KI to make this, but I'll try this. The NO2 can be generated by using nitric acid or is there a better way?

[Edited on 14-11-2012 by Eddygp]

Pyro - 14-11-2012 at 13:39

lol, yes with nitric acid is abouth the ony way :D best is nitric acid and sugar, nitric acid and any cheap metal works well too, but less effective. read my post about it to get all details.

Eddygp - 14-11-2012 at 13:41

Thank you.

kristofvagyok - 14-11-2012 at 13:56

Just some new photos:

In old times when they used nitrocellulose in the cinemas there was a lot “accident’, because the film easily ignited, like on this picture:


And a few crystal at the bottom of my breaker under UV, it is a pyrrole polycarboxylic acid amide, looks like a spiders nest(:


Isn't chemistry just simply beautiful?;)

mr.crow - 15-11-2012 at 12:04

I love the precious metal pictures! Too bad I took down my palladium dissolving in aqua regia video, seems to be a popular topic again. Check the very first post in the thread.

Iodine is also very beautiful. I love the weird crystals it makes. You can melt it under H2SO4

To make NO2 you can mix Cu, ammonium nitrate and HCl. Then add aluminum foil to get your crude Cu back for another batch. I haven't done this, so I don't know how vigorous it gets

Chunky Pure Silver Crystals

kadriver - 16-11-2012 at 05:04

Large elemental silver crystals grown in my silver cells.

To see the cells that produced these crystals, please see the technochemistry forum - post titled Electrolytic Silver Cells.

kadriver

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plante1999 - 16-11-2012 at 07:33

My last batch of mercury from cinnabar.

43.1 gram of mercury.



elementcollector1 - 16-11-2012 at 08:48

Quote: Originally posted by plante1999  
My last batch of mercury from cinnabar.

43.1 gram of mercury.




Very nice! Maybe you could start a mercury cell for sodium with that much Hg...

Mailinmypocket - 16-11-2012 at 09:19

So long as we are on the Hg topic, here is a 50g brass weight floating in a small crucible boat, on mercury of course :) (need to clean the mercury at some point..)


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Calcite Phosphorescence

bfesser - 16-11-2012 at 10:10

<a href="http://www.mindat.org/min-859.html" target="_blank">Calcite</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" /> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate" target="_blank">CaCO<sub>3</sub></a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />, likely with <a href="http://www.fluomin.org/uk/fiche.php?id=157" target="_blank">Mn<sup>2+</sup></a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activator_(phosphor)" target="_blank">activator</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />;) digitally photographed under it's own <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence" target="_blank">phosphorescence</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> after brief <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Calcite_ShortwaveUV_HAGAM.jpg" target="_blank">excitation</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> by 254nm 4W <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet" target="_blank">UV</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> <a href="http://www.uvp.com/compactlamps.html" target="_blank">lamp</a> <img src="../scipics/_ext.png" />:
<img src="../scipics/user:bfesser/calcite_phosphorescence.jpg" />
Cropped, resized, & corrected contrast slightly to compensate for poor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_(photography)" target="_blank">exposure</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />&ndash;this is how it looks to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_eye" target="_blank">naked eye</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />.

<!-- Specimen collected by myself at this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut_(earthmoving)" target="_blank">roadcut</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Horn_Mountains" target="_blank">Big Horn Mts., WY</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> (note: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominid" target="_blank">hominid</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> below red streak for scale):<a href="../scipics/user:bfesser/bighorn_dolostone_roadcut.jpg"><img src="../scipics/user:bfesser/bighorn_dolostone_roadcut.jpg" width="800" /></a>
If memory serves, this was a cut through <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolostone" target="_blank">dolomitic</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limestone" target="_blank">limestone</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Group" target="_blank">Madison</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_(stratigraphy)" target="_blank">Fm.</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />&ndash; with plenty of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druse_(geology)" target="_blank">drusy</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcite" target="_blank">calcite</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vug" target="_blank">vugs</a> <img src="../scipics/_wiki.png" />.

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Mailinmypocket - 16-11-2012 at 12:09

Very nice! How long does the phosphorescence last?

[Edited on 16-11-2012 by Mailinmypocket]

bfesser - 16-11-2012 at 12:22

It's visible for maybe 10 seconds, but dims rapidly.

Poppy - 18-11-2012 at 09:26

Red iron oxide. Actually samples of the many colors of iron oxides! :)
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[Edited on 11-18-2012 by Poppy]

Eddygp - 18-11-2012 at 14:53

Is it all Fe2O3 except that black part, top left part of the picture?

Poppy - 18-11-2012 at 15:36

Not exactly. All thats known is that its majorly Fe III.

Mailinmypocket - 24-11-2012 at 13:50

Ozone generator... Made with a test tube stuffed with Al foil and a wire coiled around the outside. Connected to an induction coil it makes enough ozone to be uncomfortable...

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Adas - 25-11-2012 at 04:34

Quote: Originally posted by Mailinmypocket  
Ozone generator... Made with a test tube stuffed with Al foil and a wire coiled around the outside. Connected to an induction coil it makes enough ozone to be uncomfortable...



Very nice :)

tetrahedron - 27-11-2012 at 09:49

Quote: Originally posted by Mailinmypocket  
Ozone generator

could you give a more detailed description of your setup? would be worth a try if only for the evil glow =D

Mailinmypocket - 27-11-2012 at 10:24

Quote: Originally posted by tetrahedron  
Quote: Originally posted by Mailinmypocket  
Ozone generator

could you give a more detailed description of your setup? would be worth a try if only for the evil glow =D


Oh...suuuuuuure......... It was supposed to be proprietary and top secret, but what the hell ;)

It's a rather crude set up I made in about 15 minutes. Anything similar to this set up will work, whether its a test tube, glass plate with foil on either side etc. I used a test tube because it allowed me to coil wire on the outside and fill the inside with foil which has lots of sharp corner and edges which seems to be where the plasma concentrates itself.

The more blue glow you see, the more ozone you are making.


First a metal wire with a hook with roughly the same curve as the test tube bottom was stuck into the tube. Then aluminum foil was jammed in in small pieces and compacted quite a bit with a metal rod. This forms one electrode.
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Then wire was tightly wound around the tube as shown here. It helps to wind it around the tube, remove the "spring" of wire and tighten it to make it have a smaller diameter and then push it onto the tube to ensure it stays on tightly without needing tape etc.
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At first I tried to use this small transformer chip that came from a small neon tube display... It produced no glow or ozone. Im not sure what voltage these things operate at but obviously not high enough. The output wires do arc though and give nasty little shocks.
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So instead I took out the bigger guns and used a real induction coil (which does give a wicked shock...), this thing easily makes 3 inch long sparks through the air. I'm not entirely sure of the output voltage but the only power supply I have is 6V, 3A. Just connect the output terminals of your HV source to either of the electrodes on the tube (doesn't matter which one) and you have a crude ozone generator.
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This is just running the coil with alligator clips on a porcelain dish...
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PS: If somebody could enlighten me on how to calculate the output voltage of this induction coil it would be appreciated. Im not a big electronics guy and this was just something I bought on eBay due to good pricing.

I plan to place this tube into a larger glass vessel and use an air pump to circulate air through it and have a dilute source of ozone. This test alone gave me a horrid sore throat the next morning... which I am directly blaming having my face too close to the damned thing for so long. Nonetheless.

You can do this too... http://www.bigclive.com/oz.htm


[Edited on 27-11-2012 by Mailinmypocket]

tetrahedron - 27-11-2012 at 14:09

Quote: Originally posted by Mailinmypocket  
It was supposed to be proprietary and top secret, but what the hell ;)

great info. this deserves its own thread. a quick question: since the corona discharge can be intensified by making the electrode more 'spiky' (ideally a needle), is the dielectric really necessary?

Morgan - 27-11-2012 at 16:56

http://www.humboldt.edu/scimus/HSC.54-70/CatDesc/InducCoil_C...
http://www.humboldt.edu/scimus/HSC.54-70/Descriptions/Induct...

[Edited on 28-11-2012 by Morgan]

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