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OTC nitroethane source

DocX - 22-9-2022 at 10:21

Not cheap, but accessible. Solvent glue for acrylic glass. Also apparently DCM as solvent, which is good.

https://linkshortner.net/hMppr


Organikum - 22-9-2022 at 18:59

Funny. Seller is located in Germany and does not ship to Germany a product of Germany.

Makes sense. Somehow.


/ORG

Herr Haber - 23-9-2022 at 07:30

It's not solvent glue, it's glue. 1.2kg of it.

DocX - 23-9-2022 at 12:09

According to the tech specs it's dicloromethane and nitroethane, solvent adhesive. Although I can't find any real SDS for it. It says "viscous" in the technical sheet, so possibly there's some polymer gunk in it too.
https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...

Here's the SDS for another solvent glue in their product line. At least it has another model number. Could be the same though: https://www.acrylite.co/files/content/acrylite.co/00-global/...
This is it: https://www.contra.com.pl/en/product/acrylic-glue-acrifix-1s...



[Edited on 20222222/9/23 by DocX]

6dthjd1 - 24-9-2022 at 20:56

I'm thinking theoretically one could boil off the dichloromethane then vaccuum filter the gunk from the nitroethane followed by another distilllation for purification

Herr Haber - 25-9-2022 at 04:03

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
. It says "viscous" in the technical sheet, so possibly there's some polymer gunk in it too.
https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...
[Edited on 20222222/9/23 by DocX]


It is glue after all... It may contain more than just a solvent especially if it "hardens" or "fills the gaps" as one can read in the description.

Tsjerk - 25-9-2022 at 07:49

Isn't it poly(methyl methacrylate) dissolved in solvent? You can also just use chloroform to glue plexiglass, but I can imagine a more viscous "glue" is easier to work with.

Es-drei sells nitroethane, I wouldn't be surprised when they turn out to be just as expensive as the glue (per ml of nitroethane)

[Edited on 25-9-2022 by Tsjerk]

Mateo_swe - 26-9-2022 at 06:26

Be aware that some of those acryl solvents/glues are methacrylate and other solvents + stuff but some indeed are a high% nitroethane.
Check carefully before buying as its quite expensive.
Nitroethane is very good for gluing acrylate pieces but other solvents and mixes can be used too.
It seems the nitroethane based is the prefered by proffesionals but its clear they try replace it.

DocX - 27-9-2022 at 13:06

Well, I did attach an SDS in my post, so we don't really need to guess now do we?

SuperOxide - 29-9-2022 at 18:56

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
According to the tech specs it's dicloromethane and nitroethane, solvent adhesive. Although I can't find any real SDS for it. It says "viscous" in the technical sheet, so possibly there's some polymer gunk in it too.
https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...

Here's the SDS for another solvent glue in their product line. At least it has another model number. Could be the same though: https://www.acrylite.co/files/content/acrylite.co/00-global/...
This is it: https://www.contra.com.pl/en/product/acrylic-glue-acrifix-1s...


I don't think so... the MSDS says that has nitromethane, not nitroethane.


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DocX - 30-9-2022 at 01:15

Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  

I don't think so... the MSDS says that has nitromethane, not nitroethane.


So much fuss over just one letter :).

Seriously though: ouch. My bad. But that's great, then we have an OTC source for both reagents. I love it.


Organikum - 30-9-2022 at 06:02

The Europeans who are excluded from this offer can of course just go to nitrochemis.com and get this and more from Poland. Yeah, the shop looks hot as hell, nevertheless it is an actual legit polish business and plenty people buy there since ages without any problems. Expensive, but not more then the glue. They do not sell to US/CA/AU/NZ though.

How can this be? Simple: Polish legislators are fighting hard against the onslaught of woke and LGBT tendencies on their catholic Motherland by not implementing EU or other international regulations into polish law what affects all those regulations and sends many of them onto a long-winded journey of finding out if the regulation is compatible with the polish constitution.

Texium - 30-9-2022 at 06:28

Quote: Originally posted by Organikum  
How can this be? Simple: Polish legislators are fighting hard against the onslaught of woke and LGBT tendencies .
Umm since when was restricting chemicals part of the LGBT agenda?

Just giving you a warning here that unsubstantiated and irrelevant political statements contribute nothing positive, and will often lead to the thread being split.

clearly_not_atara - 30-9-2022 at 09:05

I think that what Organikum is trying to say is that Polish anti-neoliberal attitudes have had a fortuitous consequence of rejecting overbearing "safety" legislation banning solvents and the like, since these regulations tend to be promulgated by the same politicians who advocate 'progressive' policy on race/gender/immigration. Something similar happened in the US where the Republicans became the main defenders of e-cigarettes, amid a generally unscientific push from the public-health NGO apparatus to ban all kinds of vaporizer products.

In other words, the "social left" has generally become much less synonymous with personal freedom than it once was. The "woke realignment" (because what else can it be called?) has made the politics of individual liberty much weirder than it was a decade ago. The implications for supporters of amateur chemistry are that we can't simply align with one faction or the other anymore.

Herr Haber - 30-9-2022 at 11:44

Poland is more Texas than California that's for sure if you allow me the analogy...
It's still a very catholic and conservative country in many aspects.
I remember a church in Wroclaw (Originally Breslau, birthplace of Fritz Haber!) with a stone carved "Christ on a cross DIY kit". Not meant as fun but as a "would you do it?"
Back in 2004 we were in a village for a festival. All dressed in black. All the town was chatting about "those Satanists" and a friend got hit on purpose by a grandmother with her basket !

Dont get me wrong, Poland is great. The issue several countries seem to have with Brussels is that it's eating up their sovereignty and in some cases values. Hungary is in this last case even more vocal than Poland.

[Edited on 30-9-2022 by Herr Haber]

Tsjerk - 30-9-2022 at 13:15

And we are talking about politics, yeah!

SuperOxide - 30-9-2022 at 13:25

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  

I don't think so... the MSDS says that has nitromethane, not nitroethane.


So much fuss over just one letter :).

Seriously though: ouch. My bad. But that's great, then we have an OTC source for both reagents. I love it.



Yeah, that one letter does make a difference, lol.

But how do you know the product in the original post has nitroethane in it? I didn't see it in the MSDS... Maybe I'm blind, can you tell me where you see it?

Herr Haber - 30-9-2022 at 15:19

Quote: Originally posted by Tsjerk  
And we are talking about politics, yeah!


Shh, it's to avoid the embarassment of saying that none of us properly read the msds :)

At least *that* was fun !

DocX - 30-9-2022 at 23:12

Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  



Yeah, that one letter does make a difference, lol.

But how do you know the product in the original post has nitroethane in it? I didn't see it in the MSDS... Maybe I'm blind, can you tell me where you see it?


In the Technical Sheet: https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...

I can't find an SDS for it though.

DocX - 30-9-2022 at 23:15

The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...

Organikum - 1-10-2022 at 00:08

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...

Seriously? On the outside? And on the package with Phenyl-2-Nitropropene it is "NITROCHEMIS/P2NP" ?

Well one can always ask them nicely not to do this I suppose and Nitroethane is not illegal to order or to own, it is mostly the shops selling it authorities want gone but as it is not illegal new ones pop up every now and then like it was with this "nail polish remover" or such some years ago.

And such a label is still better then the spice shop who sells Potassium Nitrate by the kg on German Amazon and who reports every sale directly to the police who then shows up at the buyers door wanting to know where it is and what it is intended for.
But selling on Amazon where now even Acetone is gone - no problem.

SuperOxide - 1-10-2022 at 16:28

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  



Yeah, that one letter does make a difference, lol.

But how do you know the product in the original post has nitroethane in it? I didn't see it in the MSDS... Maybe I'm blind, can you tell me where you see it?


In the Technical Sheet: https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...

I can't find an SDS for it though.

Ahh I see now. Silly me tried to ctrl+f "nitroethane", but that didn't work.

I messaged the seller asking if they have an SDS available.

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...

Im a little doubtful of this. That seems absurd.

[Edited on 2-10-2022 by SuperOxide]

DocX - 2-10-2022 at 02:46

Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...

Im a little doubtful of this. That seems absurd.

[Edited on 2-10-2022 by SuperOxide]


To be honest, it's second-hand information. But I've heard it from two separate sources and they have no reason to lie. I tried emailing Nitrochemis about it but they never replied. I can try to get a picture of the label.

DocX - 2-10-2022 at 21:43

Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  
That seems absurd.

[Edited on 2-10-2022 by SuperOxide]


Well, absurd it is. Feast your eyes on this beautiful envelope of P2NP:



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SuperOxide - 3-10-2022 at 08:19

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  
That seems absurd.

[Edited on 2-10-2022 by SuperOxide]


Well, absurd it is. Feast your eyes on this beautiful envelope of P2NP:


Holy crap... What country are you in? And what country did that come from?
I've never seen that. Seems pretty nuts to me. lol

Edit: It looks like you got that from here: https://nitrochemis.com/ which is a Polisy company. Their website sells a lot of P2NP related stuff.. maybe that's why they had to do it? I doubt that kinda labeling is enforced or common though.

[Edited on 3-10-2022 by SuperOxide]

Tsjerk - 3-10-2022 at 08:51

And that was not in a second package? You have to label it somehow.

DocX - 3-10-2022 at 10:02

Yeah, but preferably not with the reagent name slapped on the outside of the package.

Yes, that is Nitrochemis.
It's not my picture though. But the user who shared it with me gave the product and the seller official praise, he was just a little put off by the packaging :). I was just about to order from there, but this was an absolute dealbreaker.

I have no interest in P2NP, I just wanted some nitromethane and nitroethane. But with labels like that ... I mean, it doesn't really matter if you're Up To No Good or not, that kind of packaging warrants unwanted attention anyhow.

Luckily, there's solid alternatives. Not with the great prizes nitrochemis offers, but I'd rather pay a little more than have these things sent to me.

[Edited on 20222222/10/3 by DocX]

SuperOxide - 3-10-2022 at 13:37

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
I was just about to order from there, but this was an absolute dealbreaker.
Me too.. well, and the fact that they won't ship to anyone outside the EU. That made it an even easier decision, lol.

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
I have no interest in P2NP, I just wanted some nitromethane and nitroethane. But with labels like that ... I mean, it doesn't really matter if you're Up To No Good or not, that kind of packaging warrants unwanted attention anyhow.

Luckily, there's solid alternatives. Not with the great prizes nitrochemis offers, but I'd rather pay a little more than have these things sent to me.

I'm in the same boat. What solid alternatives are you talking about for nitroEthane?

The only two routes I know of to synthesize nitroethane are pretty low in terms of atomic efficiency. But I don't really need that much of it anyways (honestly, I don't even have a specific use planned for it). But I'm curious what alternatives you're referring to.

Organikum - 3-10-2022 at 14:45

The picture is from the nitrochemis webpage directly where they state that they take care to label and declare everything correctly. The picture is to show how professionally it is packed. I asked a little bit around and this in the picture comes of course packed in another envelope or cardboard box, this is not in plain sight for everybody handling the parcel, what would be not only unusual but most probably it would be against postal regulations about everywhere.

I attach the original picture from Nitrochemis.com, which tells that it just proof for good packaging, something what is not always guaranteed at other places.

In my opinion this is much better then to have unlabeled mystery crystals in a package as those would go to closer inspection for sure if the package got opened. This now looks exactly like it should look like - professional, official and with all the right in the world to be there.

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DocX - 4-10-2022 at 02:08

Quote: Originally posted by Organikum  
I asked a little bit around and this in the picture comes of course packed in another envelope or cardboard box, this is not in plain sight for everybody handling the parcel, what would be not only unusual but most probably it would be against postal regulations about everywhere.


Funny. Because I asked around and got the exact opposite answer.
In fact, in the right part of the label the persons contact information (including telephone number) was printed. What would be against postal regulations do you mean?

It's good if things are well packaged, declared and everything. But maybe not if it's a content that can be deemed suspicious. Those are the kind of shipments you want packaged in an anonymous cardboard box labelled "Toys". Whatever your intent is.

[Edited on 20222222/10/4 by DocX]

Mateo_swe - 4-10-2022 at 05:39

Long time ago i ordered a liter of nitroethane from a company in Italy, i think it was Eurochem or something very similar.
It was quite expensive, but its expensive everywhere.
I remembered i got mail from them a year later offering it at half price, but its also several years ago now.
If anyone need some it might be worth checking out if they still sell it in small volumes, they usually sell by the barrel.

DocX - 4-10-2022 at 21:47

Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  
Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
I was just about to order from there, but this was an absolute dealbreaker.
Me too.. well, and the fact that they won't ship to anyone outside the EU. That made it an even easier decision, lol.

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
I have no interest in P2NP, I just wanted some nitromethane and nitroethane. But with labels like that ... I mean, it doesn't really matter if you're Up To No Good or not, that kind of packaging warrants unwanted attention anyhow.

Luckily, there's solid alternatives. Not with the great prizes nitrochemis offers, but I'd rather pay a little more than have these things sent to me.

I'm in the same boat. What solid alternatives are you talking about for nitroEthane?

The only two routes I know of to synthesize nitroethane are pretty low in terms of atomic efficiency. But I don't really need that much of it anyways (honestly, I don't even have a specific use planned for it). But I'm curious what alternatives you're referring to.


Well, right here for example :). Just a few posts above or below this one you’ll find Chemship’s listing. He comes highly recommended, by me and any number of people.

SuperOxide - 10-10-2022 at 18:01

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
Well, right here for example :). Just a few posts above or below this one you’ll find Chemship’s listing. He comes highly recommended, by me and any number of people.

Great! I just ordered some from him based off of your referral. Thanks :)

crow6283 - 11-10-2022 at 05:15

Look a little closer at Acrifix’s products one of them is mostly nitroethane.

SuperOxide - 29-10-2022 at 22:23

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
Well, right here for example :). Just a few posts above or below this one you’ll find Chemship’s listing. He comes highly recommended, by me and any number of people.

Thanks to your referral to chemship1978, I was able to add 500g of nitroethane to my inventory :-D


Will definitely do business with chemship again.

Antiswat - 11-12-2022 at 02:46

ill let you guys in on a little sneaky trick- and in this context it seemed to pay off.

type this into google

acrylic glue "nitroethane" msds

lets see if "nitroethane" msds will do too? ok no that didnt go well, just popped a bunch of sales of pure stuff up

glue "nitroethane" msds gave me this
https://signgeer.com/media/productattach/e/x/extru-fix_msds.... - issued in 2019 so probably still a thing, based in UK
it says 5-20% by weight, 500mL, 25-100g? 20 pounds for one unit, rest is DCM.
bonus, 30-60%!!
https://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/plastic_safety_data_sheets/... says 2009 though
https://www.edplastics.co.uk/Tensol%20-%20bostik/Extrufix%20...
https://www.trentplastics.co.uk/adhesives-tapes-cleaners/ext... 25 pounds 500mL possibly 30-60%, further digging in MSDS's just makes it more unclear- however impossible to order outside of the UK seemingly.


https://unionesadhesivas.com/es/index.php?controller=attachm...
cyanoacrylate remover, nitroethane blend, 2009- acetone wasnt good enough? HernonCyanoacrylate Remover 14 €542.50 for 10x55mL bottles, idk about that.

ACRIFIX® 1S 0116 Pure-V contains ethyl formate and nitroethane- also pretty neat combo - on link they explain it has no DCM but doesnt mention nitroethane any longer, safety datasheet doesnt reveal much, this might be decent concentration of NE, based on the secrecy. 1kg is 85 dollars
https://plastic-craft.com/acrifix-1s-0116-pure-v/

[Edited on 11-12-2022 by Antiswat]