Sciencemadness Discussion Board - 4th Generation Energetic Materials. Aluminized Thermobaric Explosives Based on Polysiloxane Binder

4th Generation Energetic Materials. Aluminized Thermobaric Explosives Based on Polysiloxane Binder

JohnDoe13 - 23-6-2024 at 22:09

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381546986_Open_Sour...

The core... A novel solid state enhanced blast (thermobaric) explosives with improved power (~2.5 times TNT air blast) and stability that combine air blast with metal fragmentation and acceleration effects. They are extremely effective both in the air & underwater and can be loaded in munitions from 40 mm. underbarrel grenades to multi ton aviation bombs. To make this possible, we have combined novel energetic binder with catalytic system and nanotechnology. These explosives are extremely cheap, insensitive and suitable for mass production (3 to 4 times cheaper than anything on the market today – 20 USD/kg). We do not use any toxic substances, which additionally lower the price in terms of mass production and storage.

The H-TBX and A-TBX have reduced sensitivity to UV and gamma rays as well as neutrons! This makes them materials with strategic importance with all its consequences (defense advantages in case of nuclear war, weaponized space satellites, etc.).

In addition, these thermobaric / blast enhanced compositions are excellent choice for hypersonic weapons, shaped charges and in the construction of new generation torpedoes & underwater drones.

Our work was also presented at the 46th annual conference of Fraunhofer ICT in Karlsruhe, Germany, June, 2015.

http://www.ict.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ict/de/documents/ve...

Presentaton V10

Our previous publication.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/prep.202100195

Clips from Armenia & Azerbaijan conflict. Turkish and Israelis drones loaded illegally in Bulgaria with our obsolete H – TBX composition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Im4XEeMS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiiXn9KoxY0&feature=emb_...

Excellent one from Ukraine…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-2XY9uHWZY

Still, we are the only holders of the patent & production rights.

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JohnDoe13 - 23-6-2024 at 22:20

Chemistry and materials science, completely innovative for the field are employed. We have made 15 years literature and patents survey and none of the innovative features were mentioned anywhere. On that basis we filed patents in Bulgaria and sold a test license for the demo variety of the H-TBX in Bulgaria.

Innovative features include:

- Affordable nanotechnology (for 20 USD/kg) to improve performance and mechanical
properties. Nanoparticles are also used as catalyst carrier. This is the first use of
nanotechnology in the field of energetic materials, to reach the stage of mass production.

- Over-molecular complexation (molecular recognition), key-keyhole interactions.

- Novel energetic binder, combined with catalytic system.

- The polymer matrix, insensitive to high-energy radiation, marks the products as ones of strategic importance, able to survive and remain useful even in case of a nuclear strike.

- Energetic material/s and warhead body as one system – reactive materials ready for mass production.

- Lack of toxic substances, complete lack of volatile substances like plasticizers (AFX-757) and monopropellants (LP-30T).

- Combination of both brisance (metal fragmentation and acceleration) and fuel-air effect.

- Solutions to problems concerning energetic materials can be extrapolated for other systems with civil application (polymers, coatings etc.).

COMPARISON OF AFX-757 AND H-TBX

1. Difference in brisance: AFX-757 has brisance of about 10 GPa and thus, very low performance in fragmentation warheads. H-TBX on the other hand has brisance of about 18-20 GPa and has performance in fragmentation warheads similar to that of TNT. This means that existing TNT, Composition B or PBX warheads can be filled with H-TBX without fragmentation properties deterioration.

2. Difference in air blast: AFX-757 has air blast TNT equivalent of about 1.7 (AFX-757 requires large critical diameter, strong case and enclosed space to reach this equivalent), while H-TBX has air blast TNT equivalent of about 2.25-2.75 (both in enclosed space and in the open, even in practically caseless munitions of 30-40 mm or less).

Literature:

a. Development of a Novel High Blast/High Fragmentation Melt Pour Explosive
Steven Nicolich et al. US Army Armaments, Research, Development and Engineering Center Tank Automotive and Armaments Command

b. An approach to determining the TNT equivalent of high explosives
Radun Jeremić et al. Scientific-Technical Review, Vol. LVI,No.1,2

3. AFX-757 uses hygroscopic and thermally unstable ammonium perchlorate and toxic isocyanurate bonding agents, while in H-TBX these substances are substituted for non- hygroscopic, non-toxic and thermally stable ones. H-TBX is thermally stable over 200oC, while A-TBX is thermally stable over 250-300oC.

4. H-TBX, unlike AFX-757 can be used in every caliber and weapon system over 30 mm. It is suitable for loading in wide variety of explosive munitions including: hand grenades, shoulder fired missiles, all kinds of aviation bombs and rockets, artillery shells, etc. So far it was successfully loaded into 40 mm underbarrel grenades, thermobaric hand grenades, RPG rounds, aviation unguided missiles, artillery shells for smooth bore and rifled artillery. AFX-757 or its varieties are completely unsuitable for artillery or small caliber munitions. A variety of the H-TBX is currently mass produced in Bulgaria in every caliber, except the 40 mm underbarrel grenades.

JohnDoe13 - 23-6-2024 at 22:39

How to produce. Snippets from the open source documentation…

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H-TBX is a cast-cured polymer bonded explosive. That is mixed, loaded into ordnance and then cured to a solid mass with Shore A = 40 hardness.

Polymer bonded explosive H-TBX contains the next components in the next MASS proportions:

16% Silicone polymer (Ecoflex 0030 - both components)
16% Potassium perchlorate
28% Aluminum powder 8 micron
40% White crystalline hexogen powder

That is for 100 grams mixture – 16 grams silicone polymer, 16 grams potassium perchlorate; 28 grams aluminum powder and 40 grams hexogen powder.

When preparing the mixture keep in mind that the density of the polymer Ecoflex 0030 is 1.07 g/cm3 and it is two component silicone and 16% are - component 1 + component 2.

The potassium perchlorate (KP)

Standard for pyrotechnics KP can be used, milled on site to less than 20-30 micron. KP with or without carb-o-sil anticake agent can be used.
Commercially available:
http://www.highqualitychems.com/potassium-perchlorate-w-cab-...
Only carb-o-sil or other SiO2 based anticake agent is acceptable, anticake agents based on phosphates and other chemicals must not be used as they can inhibit the catalyst of the polymer!
Potassium perchlorate alternatively can be ball milled on site to less than 30 micron and used directly to prepare the H-TBX. In their experience SURT Tech. used mechanical coffee grinders to mill the KP without problems. Potassium perchlorate must be free of chlorates!

Polymer:

The polymer is the two component liquid platinum cure silicone Ecoflex 0030.
1. Silicone - Ecoflex 0030 of the company Smooth-On:
Company: Smooth-On
http://www.smooth-on.com/

Polymer can also be XB-600 or XB-615; 630 is too viscous. Or from another company: GTSIL-P0

Working time of 45mins or 1 hour at 20 C is a good start. Mixing the H-TBX at 15 C and then curing at 40 C was used usually.
Working time can be extended with similar to this product: https://www.smooth-on.com/products/slo-jo/

Aluminium powder:

Must be standard spherical 8 micron, (average particle size D50 = 8 micron), uncoated.

Hexogen (RDX):

Must be pure, white crystalline without any additives, coatings or phlegmatizers. Particle sizes must be below 100 micron. No need to use bimodal RDX. Hexogen may be replaced by octogen (HMX) with the same particle size distribution if higher density and thermal resistance is needed.

Initiation and minimal diameter/quantity

In order to achieve maximum air blast and metal fragmentation/acceleration effect - minimal diameter of H-TBX to be initiated (from the one side, without central charge) in aluminum pipe with 1 mm wall is 50 mm and the minimal quantity initiator is 50 gram TNT equivalent or about 35 grams of the modern hexogen based booster explosives. Minimum quantity of H-TBX to be effectively initiated for maximum air blast metal fragmentation/acceleration effect is 200-300 g.

Example for the manual preparation of H-TBX

This is a description of mixing H-TBX by hand, it was tested in laboratory conditions in Bulgaria.

The working conditions are as follows: temperature of air and mixing containers 15 оС. Only polyethylene and vinyl gloves are used as they do not have inhibitory effect on the polymer hardening catalyst. Use of latex gloves is completely forbidden as latex inhibits the curing of the polymer! Use of gloves with any powder cover is completely forbidden! Read the next chapter – Guarding the polymer from curing inhibition.
Aluminum mixing containers are used as well as wooden tools and spatulas.

The needed quantity of silicone is first poured in the container, both components A and B. Then the A and B components are mixed for 2-3 minutes to full mixing. The hexogen powder is then added to the silicone for 1 minute and mixed with the silicone for additional 2-5 minutes to ensure complete coverage of hexogen with the liquid polymer. This is a very important step as it ensures that the hexogen is phlegmatized by the silicone. Note that the given times are valid for mixing by hand of quantities 100-5000 grams. After this step, the potassium perchlorate is added to the mixture, after its mixing with the other ingredients, the aluminum powder is added. At this point the mixture is difficult to be kneaded with wooden spatula and can be mixed by hand with the proper gloves. After about 10 minutes of mixing by hand the mixture is read to be loaded into munitions.

When using mechanical mixer to prepare the H-TBX, follow the same order of mixing. Always mix the polymer first and then the hexogen into the polymer! The hexogen is preferably to be covered by the polymer by hand, thus phlegmatizing it. Then add the perchlorate and the aluminum powder.

Especially if the H-TBX should be loaded by injection molding, it is mixed under vacuum or vacuumed before loading to get rid of trapped air.

Pot life of H-TBX
The time of H-TBX pot life starts to pass after mixing component A and B of the silicone. It is as follows:

At 23оС – 45 minutes
At 15оС – 75-80 minutes
At 10оС – 120 minutes

We recommend that the working temperature should be 15оС. To prolong the pot life a Platinum Silicone Cure Retarder can be used (see below).

We recommend that the final polymerization of H-TBX in the loaded ordnance is done at 30оС for 24 hours.

Compatibility of H-TBX

After the H-TBX has hardened it is compatible to be kept in contact with: aluminum, high melting point parafine, organic polymers and lacquers with high temperature of decomposition like polyethylene, acrylate etc.
H-TBX must not be kept in contact (stored) with: wood, paper, organic materials with low decomposition temperature (sugar), sulphur, phosphorous, arsenic!

Guarding the polymer from curing inhibition
This is a very important chapter, please read carefully before passing to H-TBX production.
Platinum catalyst for the curing of silicone polymer can be inhibited by different chemicals and as a consequence the polymer cannot harden. That calls for working in a clean environment and keeping away from the catalytical poisons.
Poisons for the platinum catalyst include: sulphur and sulphurous compounds, sulphides, polysulphides, phosphorous, phosphides, basic amines, tin and tin alloys, silicone with tin catalyst, all acids, all bases, latex, some epoxy resins, recently produced urethane or polyester details. Especially dangerous catalytical poison is the powder of the latex gloves! This is the reason latex gloves are forbidden in places that produce H-TBX! Vinyl and polyethylene gloves without powder should be used instead. Direct contact between sulphur vulcanized rubber and the polymer should be avoided.
H-TBX polymerizes without any problem on aluminum and polyethylene. Steel is okay as well, but because special kinds of steels may contain catalytical poisons, polymerizations test first with small quantities should be performed.
If compatibility between the H-TBX and the surface is under question, polymerization test with small quantity should be performed. The layer between the H-TBX and the surface should be examined for complete polymerization.

Platinum Silicone Cure Retarder (Slo-Jo of Smooth-On)

Pot life of H-TBX can be extended by using the product Slo-Jo of Smooth-On. It is added to the component B of the polymer Ecoflex 0030 (maxм 2%). When added in 1% quantity, the pot life is extended from 45 minutes at 23 оС to 2 hours at 23оС.

When preparing H-TBX, the Slo-Jo must be added to component B of the polymer Ecoflex 0030, mixed with it, then component A should be added. Mixed with component B and Slo-Jo again and then the hexogen is added as described above. In quantities 1-2% Slo-Jo does not affect the mechanical properties of the H-TBX.

We recommend if needed - 1% of component B Slo-Jo to be used and the pot life to be additionally extended by cooling the H-TBX to 10-15оС. 2% Slo-Jo could also be used to additionally extend the pot life.

Loading into munitions:

H-TBX is loaded into munitions following the same rules and technology as loading highly viscous propellant into a rocket engine!

The mixture can be loaded by hand with wooden cylinder stick, small portions at a time. This manual process can be used only for warheads that do not endure acceleration (hand grenades, rocket warheads etc).

Machine ways of loading H-TBX include injection molding/pressure casting using hydraulic piston. The same technology as with rocket engines is used. This is the preferred way of loading as it allows any form/weight/kind of munitions to be automatically loaded.
Additional information about the production process of H-TBX.

1. Mixing the components
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The H-TBX components can be mixed either by mechanical mixer devices or (in case of emergency) by hand, in small batches.
During the mixing and the loading, a temperature range between 10-20оС is recommended. This means the temperature of air, components and mixing & loading equipment.
The lower temperature guarantees slower polymerization (longer potlife of the unpolymerized mixture) and vice versa.
The preparation of the composition begins when the two components of the polymer is mixed in the proportions indicated in the instructions.
The mixing of the two components is done in suitable for the task mixer bowl made from aluminum or sparkless stainless steel.
All additional equipment (spatulas, etc.) made from wood, aluminum or sparkless stainless steel is safe and suitable to be used in production.
During and after the addition of the RDX it is obligatory to work only with wooden tools to avoid metal-to-metal friction.
The use of non-ferrous metals is strongly forbidden.
The entire amount of RDX is added to the already well-mixed polymer, which after that by hand or by slow stirring in mechanical mixer is fully incorporated into the polymer until no dry areas of RDX are visible in the mixture.
The presence of powdered hexogen at this stage is unacceptable. This is a very important step as it ensures that the hexogen is phlegmatized by the polymer.
After the hexogen is completely coated with the polymer, the potassium perchlorate is added in small batches and after it’s mixing with the other ingredients, the aluminum powder is added again on small batches.
The added components must be free from lumps or other mechanical impurities.
Especially dangerous are small objects like metal bolts, nuts, etc.
After the mixing, the finished composition has the consistency of molding clay, which is ready to be load in the chosen products.
Industrial production should only be carried out with specially designed machines of the type indicated at the end of this document.
This reduces the risk of production accidents and the almost complete eliminate the human factor in the production process.
The cleaning of the working tools and mixers is extremely important for the industrial safety, as the presence of residues from already polymerized mixture between the moving elements (threads, shafts, etc.) can lead to ignition / detonation of the new mixture placed in the mixer.
Suitable for the cleaning process are cotton cloths, white cellulose wipes and / or wooden spatulas, which are used to clean the working tools or to scrape off any residue from the polymerized or not yet polymerized mixture.
The main cleaning after the end of the work shift (or if necessary between the working cycles) is done with the help of a water jet, followed by subsequent drying of the whole equipment.
The use of solvents based on alcohol or ketones is not permitted.
It should be noted that the already polymerized composition is insoluble in any solvents, as the polymer has crosslinked during polymerization.
Keeping everting absolutely clean before and during the production is essential for the properties of the final product, as the presence of even minimal contaminants can lead to a failed polymerization of the finished thermobaric composition.
The mixing and the loading of the composition in the chosen products must be organized in such a way that the production time is shorter than the pot life of the polymer at the respective temperature.
This is done in order to avoid premature polymerization.
The pot life of the polymer after mixing is proportional to the temperature of the ingredients. At higher temperatures this time decreases significantly.
In order to increase the working window for the mixture, it is permissible to work at a relatively low temperature, but not lower than 10o C.

2. Loading the finished composition in different ammunitions.
The loading can be done by hand or by vacuum.
All products with acceleration of less than 3000 G can be loaded by hand.
All other products are loaded only under vacuum.
Loading by hand is done with the help of wooden tools with varying diameters for the specific product..
Wood is used without the presence of chemical treatment, as the latter can adversely affect the polymerization of the binder.
It is allowed to load one product with H-TBX from two batches of mixture if this product will not tolerate acceleration when fired more than 3000 G. For example RPG or S-8KOM.
Additional hermetization and mechanical stability can be achieved with thin layer of pure polymer between the loaded composition and the walls of the product chosen.
On this layer (or directly on the H-TBX) can be placed / glued "compensator" from porous heat-resistant polymer or piece of fiberglass with thickness atleast 3-4 mm. This is recommended for hand-loaded products!
It is forbidden to conduct experiments at high temperature (50-80оС) with products loaded by hand, tightly loaded with the composition and/or tightly closed!
The loading hole cannot be smaller than 40 mm.
Products with H-TBX with a warhead having an inner diameter of less than 40 mm should not be designed, as this is the minimum diameter in which the composition works effectively.
The mixing of the ingredients should be done in clean and dry containers, and the resulting mixture should be loaded into clean and dry products shells.
It is not allowed the mixture to get in contact with threads or other types of joints, where friction can occur before, during and after polymerization.
The threads must be protected with inserts or for example paper tape, when the product is loaded.
If an unpolymerized mixture accidentally gets on the thread, it is cleaned from there with cotton threads until it is completely removed.
It’s advisable this to be done before the polymerization, when this is much easier.
The polymerized mixture is cleaned of threaded connection in the same way - by hand with cotton threads. If it is impossible to remove the mixture from the thread, the product is discarded.
The use of latex gloves for handling the equipment or mixing the equipment is not allowed, because latex has a negative effect on the catalyst of the polymer used.
See section 3 for more information on protecting the polymer catalyst from poisoning.

3. Polymerization of the mixture
After the mixing and the loading, the finished products are polymerized in oven at 30 оС for 24 hours.
After the loading the product has to be placed at a temperature in the range of 25-30o C within one hour after the loading. It is not allowed to expose the loaded products to low temperatures (below 10o С).
Everything possible must be done to prevent any form of condensation on the finished products or especially on the unpolymerized H-TBX composition.
The following measures can be taken for this purpose: the products shall be kept at the temperature and humidity at which they were loaded before being placed in the oven.
After the loading, the products are immediately transferred to the oven. Tight screw plastic / aluminum plugs can be also used to protect the mixture after loading.
Once polymerized, the H-TBX composition is compatible and can be kept in contact with the following types of materials - aluminum, steel, glass, fiberglass, high melting point paraffins, organic polymers and high decomposition temp. varnishes such as polyethylene, acrylate, etc.
The H-TBX composition is incompatible and should not be kept in contact with: paper, wood, cellulose, organic materials with low decomposition temperature, sulfur, phosphorus, arsenic compounds, etc.

4. Check for full polymerzation
The composition can be considered polymerized, when the hardness is above 35 (Shore A).
A check for the polymerization of the composition can be performed by measuring the hardness according to "Shore A" after the end of the polymerization period.
After polymerization of the composition, if it will be an artillery or mortar shell, it is recommended that each loaded product undergo X-ray inspection for air pockets formed. Products with formed air pockets are discarded.

More details, component suppliers, schematics, etc. can be found in the link with the open source documentation.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381546986_Open_Sour...

JohnDoe13 - 23-6-2024 at 22:46

Usages in the hot zones...

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Data about the stability & combat effectiveness.

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JohnDoe13 - 23-6-2024 at 22:52

Links to the High-Speed Video Gallery

RPG-7: 2.5kg H TBX 15cm wall: RPG-7 Flight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbR6KNMej8M&t=1s

RPG-7: 2.5kg H TBX 50cm wall: RPG-7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOqm8RPQ1xc&t=11s

57mm Warhead with 700g RDX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD4Ewv8pAmo

57 mm Warhead with 700g H-TBX:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F3hziTd3jA

Comparison 700g H-TBX vs. 700g RDX on wooden ammo boxes
700g H-TBX on wooden ammo boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMTvkJQKDm8&t=53s

700g RDX on wooden ammo boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoc3aZaaeq8&t=37s

1000g H TBX on wooden ammo boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXiksSN05Y0

A-TBX 2.5kg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwLoVxgvtlM

1000g H-TBX fast

https://youtu.be/KN0jcXCHnh8

1000g H-TBX field

https://youtu.be/9N54ea0a4Lk

4kg H-TBX 130mm Shell Under 50cm Sand

https://youtu.be/4sXr2yeb09s

dettoo456 - 24-6-2024 at 05:49

Your write-up/general information on your TBX is very interesting and detailed, but there are no military contractors or state dept staff here (at least that I know of) that would look to make business deals with you for your work, so speaking of using these energetics as implements of war doesn’t mesh all that well in a server of amateurs and hobbyists that specifically tries to avoid topics of lethality when it comes to energetics.

I’d at least leave out the mention of specific weapons/potential weaponization, and stick to the purely scientific and process-engineering aspect of your invention to dissuade (as much as possible) potential kewls and the fedposting that could come with it.

Of course, any discussion that relates to explosives can and will be linked to, in some degree (usually unconscious), potential use against people or infrastructure. Speaking openly about it though, only exacerbates laws prohibiting the safe use by hobbyists and amateurs - whether those laws even help anyways is besides the fact.

Also, as an aside, you mentioned this TBX maybe being able to find use in shaped charge fills; it would not perform well at all in that regard.

JohnDoe13 - 24-6-2024 at 08:39

We are out of the weapon business and we have never been there actually. The last thing we seeking on this site are “military contractors or state dept staff”. Fuck them all and never mentioned them again here.

The whole information was posted as prime example of suppressed / stolen science achievement and a sharing experiment that no creators before us have done, so very strange interpretation from your side to say at least. With deep sleeping government vibes.

Also, every single thread in this section have even greater potential for weaponization, without any scientific benefits behind it. Unfortunately…

Could you tell us why H – TBX will not perform well in shaped charges?

dettoo456 - 24-6-2024 at 11:22

I will not delve into (geo)politics or intl corporatism, and I did not mean to accuse you of being a fed or fed adjacent. I only meant to say that speaking of EMs directly for use as weapons can prompt investigatory actions by state officials when they needn’t occur at all in this forum.

And most threads having to do with energetics on this site are kept far from talks of weaponization - warnings against use of shrapnel and recommended small scale syntheses being prime examples.

TBXs intentionally lower their VoD, and peak pressure by increasing fuel loading to favor longer sustained pressure periods and detonation temperatures during and after detonation. The cone collapse reaction that occurs in a shaped charge only requires high detonation velocity and high pressure (along with high EM density) during a very short period of time, and materials known to exhibit low brisance and VoD produce weak effects when used in shaped charges.

The TBX may be useful in EFPs though, since their performance seems less dependent o VoD and brisance.

[Edited on 24-6-2024 by dettoo456]

[Edited on 24-6-2024 by dettoo456]

simply RED - 24-6-2024 at 22:47

H/A - TBX work in shaped charges in a proper configuration giving 80% penetration of okfol.

simply RED - 26-6-2024 at 04:44

There was one positive comment about our work that is now deleted? How does this happen?

May the topic be made sticky?

[Edited on 26-6-2024 by simply RED]

Polkem - 1-7-2024 at 04:49

I believe it was me, I praised the amount of information that was present, and how you decided to make the files open to the public, even if things may have not gone as you liked. Still new to using the SM interface seeing as this is my third or fourth comment

managed to delete the comment instead of editing it...

Thank you again.

JohnDoe13 - 1-7-2024 at 19:54

Well, we also thank you for the positive comment. The mystery was solved. For a moment I had this wild thought that at this platform no longer exist amateurs and hobbyists, but rather only government entities (lab rats, sleeping agents, etc.), thus the lack of any interest to the subject and no sticky label for the thread. Unfortunately you are the only new member here, which sadly confirm this theory...

We have so much to share, but there are no questions... Our work is the future of the energetic materials. From the depth of the earth (heat stable mining explosives for the hot zones) to the space (high radiation & pressure stability).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT_0zXw2rRo&ab_channel=N...

Sir_Gawain - 1-7-2024 at 21:32

Quote: Originally posted by JohnDoe13

For a moment I had this wild thought that at this platform no longer exist amateurs and hobbyists, but rather only government entities (lab rats, sleeping agents, etc.), thus the lack of any interest to the subject and no sticky label for the thread. Unfortunately you are the only new member here, which sadly confirm this theory...

We have so much to share, but there are no questions... Our work is the future of the energetic materials.

I've been here almost two years, and can guarantee the site is not overrun by government agents. The reason is because we are doing nothing illegal. Discussions about weapons and drug cooking are strictly prohibited.

The lack of interest is likely due to your paranoid "victim of the government" mentality and your attempts to weaponize your invention. As dettoo456 pointed out, Sciencemadness is a place for amateur experimentation, not military explosive design.

What you have discovered is an interesting novel explosive composition that could likely find some commercial use, not a groundbreaking "super explosive" that will render all other compositions obsolete. Good luck getting any governments or corporations to adopt your explosive: what they have is good enough, and not worth the changes in infrastructure for the (in their eyes) small improvement in performance, in the certain areas where thermobarics are useful.

I'm not trying to belittle your work, your time and effort in experimentation is greatly respected and appreciated.

Etanol - 1-7-2024 at 22:34

Quote: Originally posted by Sir_Gawain

The reason is because we are doing nothing illegal.

You are cruelly mistaken. To many of my comrades, this naivety has already broken life. You obviously did not live in a totalitarian country and I am very happy for you. In many countries, preparation of EM in small quantities is illegal and even a public discussion of its is a reason for criminal prosecution.

The technology of EM is inextricably linked with military use. But this does not oblige you to use them for war.

Quote: Originally posted by JohnDoe13

Links to the High-Speed Video Gallery
RPG-7: 2.5kg H TBX 15cm wall: RPG-7 Flight
https://youtu.be/4sXr2yeb09s

I am interested in the process of polymerization of silicone binder. Is the release of ethyl alcohol or acetic acid?
Very beautiful videos. However, I did not see a comparison of the explosion pressure for the same masses at the same distance, which would characterize the relative power of the composition to a pure RDX.

[Edited on 2-7-2024 by Etanol]

JohnDoe13 - 1-7-2024 at 22:35

Small improvement in performance? Sir_Gawain, did you ever read any of the information posted?

Aside from the high end performance compared to the existing energetic materials, the price and the non - toxic nature of the product, there is no need for the producers to change any of their infrastructure. They can actually CUT from their manufacturing equipment. Also we are not discussing weapons here, but the chemistry behind our energetic material. Sadly, it was used illegally in these weapons and we have exposed & documented this!

Did you read this?

As we already mentioned in our publications, “Organic silicone is oxidized to produce silicon dioxide (SiO2), carbon dioxide and water, releasing 25 MJ/kg, the same amount of energy as magnesium. Inorganic silicone is also readily oxidized in air, it is even suspected in participating in electrical phenomenon such as ball lightning [59].

We have recreated a natural phenomenon by chemical means and by the cheapest chemicals available and you call this small improvement?

And this?

In addition, under mechanical stress the silicon dioxide produced generate electric charges on the surface the same way as the quartz crystals in the piezoelectric lighters do, which is another phenomenon further involved in the “magic” behind our groundbreaking "super explosive".

Again, no questions. No constrictive dialog. But thanks for the information who you are and who your colleagues here are

)) Years ago, this thread would have been overcrowded by people. Now... Well, it is what it is...

simply RED - 1-7-2024 at 23:55

"""Good luck getting any governments or corporations to adopt your explosive: what they have is good enough, and not worth the changes in infrastructure for the (in their eyes) small improvement in performance, in the certain areas where thermobarics are useful."""

OSINT data we published shows 20 M USD worth of munitions produced in 2022-23 alone by our technology. So it is already well adopted... But have we given any license and was the production legal is next to be seen, possibly in the court.

And finally, it is really a thorough breakthrough, because it allows configurations like the A-TBX to be created and loaded cheaply (unthinkable before that). And also thermobaric-fragmentation-shaped charge, and so on...

About the polymer, please read the documents we have given. It is a platinum cure silicone. It does not produce any byproducts.

[Edited on 2-7-2024 by simply RED]

JohnDoe13 - 2-7-2024 at 02:08

"20 M USD worth of munitions produced in 2022-23...."

How about few billions worth of drones munitions for Azerbaijan, Turkey, Israel, etc. between 2018 - 2021? All this with the generous help from famous US company, who suddenly decided to contact us after all these years?

We are not a fuckin' victims. We are survivors from a battle and we are no longer playing the game.

woelen - 2-7-2024 at 04:32

This discussion tends to go south quickly, so I lock this thread.
I invite you to start a new thread, with just the chemistry and physics of the new composition, without the weaponizing and the whining about government agencies and so on.