Niklas - 23-6-2025 at 12:46
Greetings,
As you may know I‘m currently doing quite a bit of work on cubanes, documented on this forum as well (https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=16...), and while my primary focus is on pharmaceuticals I couldn’t do but at least do
some test in regards of energetic derivatives; in the future I‘m planning to make di- and tetranitfocubane too but that’s a different story for
now.
Even simple seemingly non-energetic derivatives of cubane do at times actually have energetic properties, with detonation of dimethyl
cubane-1,4-dicarboxylate having been reported on kugelrohr distillation (https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA210368.pdf), and the 1,4-dicarboxylic acid kind of deflagrating on rapid indirect heat, with a more impressive
result potentially being achievable by confining the solid though I didn’t try.
The fact that the diacid does already exhibit some sings of energetic properties raises the question whether this could potentially be improved by
preparing the corresponding carboxylate heavy metal salts, and from this further optimized by adding oxygen containing ligands may be imaginable
though I don’t have any concrete plans in that regard yet.
It is worth noting that the following two compound to my knowledge have not been reported in literature before. For the silver salt there is the
concern of rearrangement to the corresponding cuneane (https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jacs.3c03207), but without heating and as a solid salt this process can be expected to be reasonably slow if not
completely nonexistent.
Cubane-1,4-dicarboxylic acid copper(II) salt:
In a 20 ml glass vial 96,1 mg of cubane-1,4-dicarboxylic acid (0,5 mmol) where dissolved in exactly 1 ml of 1 molar sodium hydroxide solution,
measured out with the help of an eppendorf pipette, and the yellowish solution further diluted with 0,5 ml of water. A random excess of a reasonably
concentrated copper(II)-chloride dihydrate solution was added, instantly resulting in a teal precipitate, which was collected by gravity filtration
and throughly washed with dest. water. After drying over silicagel under vacuum 136,1 mg of a teal amorphous solid were collected, corresponding to a
107,2% yield assuming the anhydrous salt, though as its likely present as a hydrate of unknown composition it‘s hard to state a proper yield.
This material is insensitive to shock and friction and on rapid indirect heating only combusts with an bluish red flame, surprisingly leaving little
residue. On confining in aluminum foil, ~40 mg tested, a surprisingly strong detonation with a very sooty flame could be perceived, ripping multiple
holes into the aluminum foil below though not resulting in much shrapnel.

Fig.1-2 Suspension of the product and the dried copper salt
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Fig.3 Indirect flame test of the copper salt
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Fig.4 Test of 40 mg of the confined copper salt
Cubane-1,4-dicarboxylic acid silver(I) salt:
Because of the general tendency of silver salts to be fairly light sensitive all of the following work was conducted under a source of red light and
silver containing glassware wrapped in aluminum foil when possible.
In a 20 ml glass vial 96,1 mg of cubane-1,4-dicarboxylic acid (0,5 mmol) where dissolved in exactly 1 ml of 1 molar sodium hydroxide solution,
measured out with the help of an eppendorf pipette, and the yellowish solution further diluted with 0,5 ml of water. A solution of around 250 mg
silver nitrate (1,47 mmol) in a minimal amount of water was added, and the resulting grayish precipitate collected by vacuum filtration and throughly
washed with dest. water. After drying over silicagel under vacuum 176,7 mg of a light grey solid were collected, corresponding to a percent yield of
87,1%.
This material can actually be detonated by strong shock from a hammer, though I still didn’t notice any friction sensitivity. On indirect heating
the material deflagrates with a pop, may even call it at least a partial weak detonation, leaving behind a black residue likely consisting of carbon.
On confining in aluminum foil, again ~40 mg wer tested, the material detonates with a sharp bang releasing a large amount of soot and ripping a large
hole around 5 cm in diameter into the aluminum foil below, fragmenting most of the foil into some very fine shrapnel.

Fig.5 The dried silver salt
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Fig.6 Indirect flame test of the silver salt
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Fig.7 Test of 40 mg of the confined silver salt
Metacelsus - 24-6-2025 at 03:06
Interesting, I guess the strain energy is enough to make this energetic. Would it still explode in the absence of oxygen?
Axt - 26-6-2025 at 13:19
Thats fascinating Niklas, well done. It's interesting to see pure bond strain detached from any other energetic moiety.
You could try condensing it with aminoguanidine https://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=16105... followed by nitration to form a unique salt forming energetic, if only for the
novelty of it as its performance wouldn't be amazing. Not that I know anything about cubane other than it's pricetag.
You could compare it to more readily available strained carboxylates like that of cyclopropane. It'd be a lot less energetic, but you can visually
contrast the bond energy to how well it pops.
Niklas - 27-6-2025 at 22:22
That’s quite a neat idea, I was gonna order some aminoguanidine from Laboratoriumdiscounter soon anyway and will definitely give something around
the lines a shot eventually. I’m still thinking about what else may be worth looking into while staying with the simple 1,4 disubstituted pattern as
further substitution is really quite a difficulty, if you have any other suggestions especially in regards of improving the oxygen balance I‘d be
keen to hear.